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The “S” in Seamaster
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eugeneandresson
·It’s different?
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jeppe888
·it can be different but be aware of redials
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vbrad26
·Coat hanger > any other.
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topdog i
·How can you spot a redial aside from it being crisp and new when it’s supposed to have a nice patina ?
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Nepomuceño
·How can you spot a redial aside from it being crisp and new when it’s supposed to have a nice patina ?
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topdog i
·Thank you very much !!!
my first crack at an omega was a bust it was a planet ocean opened it up abs could clearly see no serial numbers on any of the parts it was fake. A very nice fake but fake nonetheless. have sense squired a pre bond seamaster it’s quite nice !
I need to learn as much as I can especially on the older ones apparently they’ve been faked for quite some time .?
my first crack at an omega was a bust it was a planet ocean opened it up abs could clearly see no serial numbers on any of the parts it was fake. A very nice fake but fake nonetheless. have sense squired a pre bond seamaster it’s quite nice !
I need to learn as much as I can especially on the older ones apparently they’ve been faked for quite some time .?
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Nepomuceño
·For vintage pieces there definitely "fakes" out there. However redials are far more common for vintage Omegas. You should start your journey (as I started mine when I first joined OF) here. Cultivate the knowledge that is here and it'll pay off. I live by the motto: Collect knowledge first, and then collect watches.
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topdog i
·That’s what I’ll do ! Thank you very much !
so if it’s a redial that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not an omega right? Just the dials been replaced. I’m gathering there’s hybrids also or Frankenstein’s which are parts from multiple watches to put a working watch together ?
so if it’s a redial that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not an omega right? Just the dials been replaced. I’m gathering there’s hybrids also or Frankenstein’s which are parts from multiple watches to put a working watch together ?
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Shabbaz
·1. Right
2. Redial means a refinished original dial
3. Right
2. Redial means a refinished original dial
3. Right
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topdog i
·Ahhh ! Thank you very much for that
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JwRosenthal
·The “hanger” S (looks like a coat hanger), was used until around 1962, there was some overlap on a couple variants earlier in the transition. It should also be noted that the “m” in Seamaster also can vary with a slant entrance to the letter versus a hump. I always thought the slant was the tell tale of an original but I have seen others. There were different contractors that made the dials so there are a few slight variants, but they were very consistent.
A refinished dial was commonly done if the original dial was damaged from moisture ingress. Some were better than others, but any redial will affect collectibility. There are still excellent original examples out there, so it “being too clean” is not an indicator of a redial.
That’s said, there are several sellers on eBay who sell clearly refinished dials- some even stating as much with no intention of deception- and they can sell for insane money. If originality is important to you, then it’s important to know what they should look like. The devil is in the details.
A refinished dial was commonly done if the original dial was damaged from moisture ingress. Some were better than others, but any redial will affect collectibility. There are still excellent original examples out there, so it “being too clean” is not an indicator of a redial.
That’s said, there are several sellers on eBay who sell clearly refinished dials- some even stating as much with no intention of deception- and they can sell for insane money. If originality is important to you, then it’s important to know what they should look like. The devil is in the details.
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Syrte
·Read @ConElPueblo’s wonderful sticky thread « learn how to fish » and it will be much clearer.
I think it does take a bit of time and study to identify redials, at least it took me much more learning than just seeing a couple bad ones. When you’re clueless you just don’t have a clue.
I think it does take a bit of time and study to identify redials, at least it took me much more learning than just seeing a couple bad ones. When you’re clueless you just don’t have a clue.
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JwRosenthal
·When you’re clueless you just don’t have a clue.
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SkunkPrince
·A refinished dial is not necessarily something horrid; it depends on whether you know it, it looks good, you don't care, and the price reflects the non-original dial.
A Seamaster with a good refinish might make a dandy daily-wear watch, for example.
Not all refinish jobs are equal, either. The factory refinish jobs we've seen have been reasonably good; there are some that look like they were done by monkeys. (I got crap for that once, someone accused me of being racist. I replied, "No, I mean actual monkeys!")
A Seamaster with a good refinish might make a dandy daily-wear watch, for example.
Not all refinish jobs are equal, either. The factory refinish jobs we've seen have been reasonably good; there are some that look like they were done by monkeys. (I got crap for that once, someone accused me of being racist. I replied, "No, I mean actual monkeys!")
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·I totally understand what you mean when you say monkeys as for the guy that called you racist well instantly he thought the WRONG thing. Who’s the racist lol
I’m looking to buy what appears to be a seamaster I saw it it looks real nice and looks vintage I will post pics when I do.
I looked into the ranchero’s they are very nice as well
I’m seeing many different variances between them just from my two posys I’m learning a vast amount !!
I’m looking to buy what appears to be a seamaster I saw it it looks real nice and looks vintage I will post pics when I do.
I looked into the ranchero’s they are very nice as well
I’m seeing many different variances between them just from my two posys I’m learning a vast amount !!
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JwRosenthal
·The ranchero’s are a grail for many omega collectors and garner a premium. There are redialed fakes out there that are intended to deceive so make sure you do your homework. There was a thread here started by @DIV I believe detailing the ranchero.
