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Submariner 5513 1964 - what happened to the dial???

  1. hansaboy Jan 26, 2023

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    Cheers ForumFolks!
    I managed to do this post on the wrong place, but now it should be right?:whistling:
    Looking at a Submariner (taking a pause from Speedys..), and its really beaten up....

    But trying to learn...;)

    The dial has a lot of darker areas (if you can see past the scratched glass..),
    not the normal spider/tropical/star or what they are called nowadays?
    And I wonder how this could have happened?
    I haven't found any other images/notes on the web regarding this.
    The dial should be a gilt dial?
    Meters first, and the fonts etc look ok.
    The serial nr is 1.16 mil, so it should be correct, and the caseback is stamped 111.64.

    Looking further, everything feels original to the watch, (not the bracelet) please do correct me if Im in deep waters....?

    What are your thoughts on this one??:unsure:

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  2. vibe Jan 27, 2023

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    That sucker has been through hell. Look at the gouge from the wobbly rotor on the auto plate and inner caseback. I’m not sure, but I think a 1964 should have a radium dial; but it is around the time they were changing over.
     
  3. JwRosenthal Jan 27, 2023

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  4. Dan S Jan 27, 2023

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    Not radium in 64.
     
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  5. redpcar Jan 27, 2023

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    Less than 25 mCi of Tritium?
     
  6. Dan S Jan 27, 2023

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    That is the normal marking for 1964. Overall, the watch looks legit to me, and appealing in a way. However, a big part of the appeal of this reference is the glossy dial, and the gloss is gone. So it's a matter of price. The substantial lume loss on the dial also detracts significantly IMO.
     
  7. hansaboy Jan 27, 2023

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    I made the mistake of posting on the Vintage Omega Watch Help first, and did this post there, so here is a copy...:whistling:



    Erhmm.. Gents!
    The auction ended now for this piece, and PLENTY of bids! upload_2023-1-28_6-19-20.png

    And it landed 12700 € + premium of 27%.

    So I don't know what to think about this one? Dealers who will refurbish it to top condition??

    Well... It might pop up here in Europe??


    Cheers, and have a lovely week-end!
     
  8. hansaboy Jan 27, 2023

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  9. watchyouwant ΩF Clairvoyant Jan 27, 2023

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  10. watchyouwant ΩF Clairvoyant Jan 27, 2023

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    Refurbish to top condition? I don't think so. Not long ago I sold the correct dial gloss/gilt with mini scratches for $12000. You might get $ 3000 for the damaged dial. And there is more work to do ....
     
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  11. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Jan 28, 2023

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    Yikes.. been wearing mine all week nordic walking and the gym. I keep forgetting how precious these things are now.
     
  12. Dan S Jan 28, 2023

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    A good example may have gone for 25k-30k. Still, I think some bidders may have gotten a bit too competitive, the tropical discoloration appeals to some people, but the lume loss and stunted crown guards would reduce my pleasure in wearing this watch. It's a subjective choice of course, and it's always hard to put a value on a poor/fair example. I saw one of these sell in a US auction for about $14k recently, and it had a really nice case, but lume loss and some spots on the dial, and no bracelet. So pretty consistent.

    Common sense dictates that a dealer would probably not pay over $16k for a watch where nothing is in good condition. There's nothing worth refurbishing. It's a watch to repair and wear for someone who doesn't want to pay the price of a good example, which is fine.
     
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  13. miccro Feb 1, 2023

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    be interesting to see under the Plexi, so scratched you can't fully judge the dial
     
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  14. southtexas Feb 1, 2023

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    yep, the dial color might indeed be nice, but the large chunks of missing Tritium from the markers would be a big turn off for me
     
  15. spacemission Feb 1, 2023

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    Run.
     
  16. mancio Feb 1, 2023

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    Eh, Nothing that cannot be fixed;)
    Probably the dial is really nice, hands looks catchy but it really not clear except the damage to the lume plots.
    Relumes are getting better and better, and there are at least two people that I know who could relume that dial and 99% of us would not be able to noticed (which is scary ).
    Not to mention that the condition of the watch are perfect for a watch to enjoy without problem. If that was mine, I would do a proper relume, plexy, service and wear it like there is no tomorrow.
     
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  17. hansaboy Feb 2, 2023

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    This one was sold for a couple of minutes ago..!
    Its a 5512 from 1965 with pointed crown guards....:)
    Not sure about the lume though??

    In a better condition than the 5513 I started this post, with papers and a nice bracelet!

    It landed at 19000€ + 27.5% premium (so about 26600 USD total)!


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  18. hoshimachi Mar 23, 2023

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    I hope to get to your level of financial security one day...
    Financial freedom: the real and only flex.
     
  19. hoshimachi Mar 23, 2023

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    I am a complete novice so please point out if I am wrong.
    But hasn't that dial been re-lumed? Or does tritium fuzz up like that naturally?
     
  20. hoshimachi Mar 23, 2023

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    I hope that one day, people would stop obsessing over keeping things "original" and a "proper" refinishing of a watch rather appreciates the value of the watch.