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Speedmasters still for EVA’s….Fact or Fiction?

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Foo2rama Foo2rama
ESA suit, I think you can see the flap and watch under it in this picture.

The flaps on the reverse side of the glove covers a strap the tightens the glove around the hand below the fingers and between the thumb and pointer finger. It's there so the strap does not snag things getting close to the hand while working. A similar flap is seen on the Apollo gloves as well. The ESA astronauts typically use the US made suit replacing the shoulder patch with their nations flag. So this would be the same US suit without a sewn in watch as it's used today confirmed by Wiseman. There have been a few EVA's conducted by ESA astronauts in the Russian suits, but why I don't know.
 
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SpeedyPhill SpeedyPhill
Don't get me started 😁 ... But there isn't much unseen anymore...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums

I always love when one of my old threads gets bumped to the top but are there Shuttle or ISS EVA photos in the Apollo archive images that would give me the answer to my initial question about the use of the Speedmaster now during EVA's?

These two threads may have been more appropriate to share the archive images again...

https://omegaforums.net/threads/apollo-missions-magazines-photo-archives.30833/

https://omegaforums.net/threads/nasa-released-all-apollo-mission-photographs.30164/
 
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wsfarrell wsfarrell
The first two photos----here's a watch, now it's gone----are fairly disturbing to me. I understand that most advertising photos are enhanced, but I think there's a real difference between making something look better and creating something that never existed. I wonder if Omega contacted Gernhardt and got permission to use his image, or paid him to use his image, and told him they'd be putting a watch on him that he never wore.......

Since the thread has come alive I did find this bit of information last week.

NASA Regulations for Merchandising Requests
  • Many NASA images (moving and still) in the public domain can be used for merchandising purposes. However, there are rules regarding the appearance of astronauts' or NASA employees' faces or names on commercial products. Astronauts or employees who are currently employed by NASA cannot have their faces or names displayed on any commercial products, advertisements or commercial product packaging. Astronauts and NASA employees who are retired from the agency can grant permission for the use of their faces or names, but that permission may be subject to a fee. For deceased astronauts or employees, their families must grant permission for use of their photos or names.
  • There are many images (moving and still) in the public domain of unrecognizable astronauts in space suits. However, in some instances, the astronaut's name may be legible in the photo. In such a case, we would have to determine if use of it for commercial purposes might infringe on a right of privacy. Permission from the astronaut could, therefore, be necessary.
 
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TLIGuy TLIGuy
That Cosmonavigator looks like it weighs a ton. I guess that's okay in a zero-g environment.

It still has mass and momentum and would require the same amount of effort to move the wrist it's attached to as it does on earth...
 
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Is this information out in the open? I just wonder if it would impact the popularity of the Speedmaster, if it is known that NASA does not use them for EVA anymore.
 
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Togri v. 2.0 Togri v. 2.0
Is this information out in the open? I just wonder if it would impact the popularity of the Speedmaster, if it is known that NASA does not use them for EVA anymore.
There is no question that almost everyone wears them externally on take offs and landings outside the spacesuit.
 
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Foo2rama Foo2rama
There is no question that almost everyone wears them externally on take offs and landings outside the spacesuit.

Indeed. The mechanical Speedmaster is still getting plenty of use during Russian EVA's and by all astronauts and cosmonauts during accent and landing.
 
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This 1978 Soyuz 27 training photo of cosmonaut Vladimir Dzhanibekov showed him wearing a “ 125 years Omega Speedmaster ” reference ST 378.0801, made in 1973. No idea if this first chronometer-certified wrist chrono was flown... anyone ?
Dzhanibekov certainly wore a Speedmaster 145.022 on Soyuz 39 to Salyut 6 in March 1981, the “Intercosmos” mission with Mongolia (cosmonaut Jüg Gürragchaa).
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TLIGuy TLIGuy
Since the thread has come alive I did find this bit of information last week.

NASA Regulations for Merchandising Requests
  • Many NASA images (moving and still) in the public domain can be used for merchandising purposes. However, there are rules regarding the appearance of astronauts' or NASA employees' faces or names on commercial products. Astronauts or employees who are currently employed by NASA cannot have their faces or names displayed on any commercial products, advertisements or commercial product packaging. Astronauts and NASA employees who are retired from the agency can grant permission for the use of their faces or names, but that permission may be subject to a fee. For deceased astronauts or employees, their families must grant permission for use of their photos or names.
  • There are many images (moving and still) in the public domain of unrecognizable astronauts in space suits. However, in some instances, the astronaut's name may be legible in the photo. In such a case, we would have to determine if use of it for commercial purposes might infringe on a right of privacy. Permission from the astronaut could, therefore, be necessary.

With hundreds of good NASA photos showing speedies in action, it remains a clumsy move by the PR department :whipped:
 
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This is the best cosmonaut wrist shot I've ever seen taken on the most recent ISS EVA 43 on August 17, 2017. I think this is how it might have gone down😀

Roscosmos Flight Control - We just received a call form Omega and they would like to know if you could take a picture of your watch on the next revolution for an ad? We've checked the bank and the deposit has just posted.

EVA 43/1 Cosmonaut - Da!!

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CREDIT - Roscosmos 17 August, 2017
 
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After a bit more research here is a nice second image of the watch. Both pictures are of cosmonaut Sergey Ryazansky taken by cosmonaut Fyodor Yurchikhin.

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CREDIT - Roscosmos 17 August, 2017
 
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TLIGuy TLIGuy
This is the best cosmonaut wrist shot I've ever seen taken on the most recent ISS EVA 43 on August 17, 2017. I think this is how it might have gone down😀

Roscosmos Flight Control - We just received a call form Omega and they would like to know if you could take a picture of your watch on the next revolution for an ad? We've checked the bank and the deposit has just posted.

EVA 43/1 Cosmonaut - Da!!

4488984386.jpg

CREDIT - Roscosmos 17 August, 2017
However it gets there its nice to see.
 
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SpeedyPhill SpeedyPhill
With hundreds of good NASA photos showing speedies in action, it remains a clumsy move by the PR department :whipped:[/QUOTE
It looks like the consensus is that when NASA final have their own launch vehicle once again that the Speedy Pro mechanical will not be used. So which watch will they use for launch and EVAs? is anyone working on a new watch for NASA testing?
 
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X33 is vacuum and temp rated I thought. My money is NASA will stick with Omega. The bigger question is what is the back up in mars? Do you have a Martian day or earth day or both? Again modded x33 or similar is perfect.

Although the argument for pure mechanical is still strong.
 
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