Speedmaster with different serial on case and movement

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Lupo

·Jun 27, 2019

Hi Omega Forumers,
I found this 90/91 Speed, the watch is beautiful, but has e "little" issue... case serial number is a little different from movement serial number, 4 units difference!!
Someone has ever seen something like this? What do you think about it?

Glad to receive your opinion
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SpeedyPhill

·Jun 27, 2019

Franken ?

 

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DLT222

·Jun 27, 2019·Double D @ ΩF

Yes I have one currently in my possession.

It’s actually a rare Mitsukoshi with 2 Mitsukoshi serials which have been verified by the Omega Museum.

They have no genuine explanation to it. I would honestly put this down to being a franken but to have a Mitsukoshi with two Mitsukoshi serial numbers has to be impossible seen as they only made 300 as we know!

I genuinely think that it has to be one of the following.

• The watch has been serviced along with another Mitsukoshi and the movements have been placed in the wrong watches

• or an error at the factory in manufacturing when it was put together.

In short we will never know but it does interest me to how this came about.

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Archer

·Jun 27, 2019·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

Yes, franken.

 

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Lupo

·Jun 27, 2019

Franken by factory (wrong assembly)?
Because I think it's not easy to find movement and case so close, only 4 numbers.
I know the owner, the watch was bought in 1991 in an official dealer.
Would you buy it? Price is interesting,

 

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simonsays

·Jun 27, 2019

I am inclined towards a factory error too. Not much of a negative, and I am sure both numbers will come back Speedmaster for the extract maniacs.

 

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SpeedyPhill

·Jun 27, 2019

Lupo

Franken by factory (wrong assembly)?
Because I think it's not easy to find movement and case so close, only 4 numbers.
I know the owner, the watch was bought in 1991 in an official dealer.
Would you buy it? Price is interesting,

Then there must be a second Speedmaster assembled this way...

 

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padders

·Jun 27, 2019·Oooo subtitles!

So spend $300 on 2 extracts? Why bother. Move on and find a watch where the serials match. I can see why following up a Mitsu or Alaska with mismatched but correct serials is worth while but not with a std Moonwatch. Use the Occam’s razor principle. Cut away the shit.

 

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simonsays

·Jun 27, 2019

I would expect Omega would provide for one fee and may confirm the error.

 

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padders

·Jun 27, 2019·Oooo subtitles!

simonsays

I would expect Omega would provide for one fee and may confirm the error.

Quite possibly but on a less valuable recent example wouldn’t it be better to just have a matching numbers?

 

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Lupo

·Jun 27, 2019

SpeedyPhill

Then there must be a second Speedmaster assembled this way...

It's not impossible. If someone has the reverse Speed we solve the problem 😁
I'm considering buy it but I'm not sure 😕

 

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Davidt

·Jun 27, 2019

padders

So spend $300 on 2 extracts? Why bother. Move on and find a watch where the serials match. I can see why following up a Mitsu or Alaska with mismatched but correct serials is worth while but not with a std Moonwatch. Use the Occam’s razor principle. Cut away the shit.

I'm with @padders. Why bother? These aren't hard to find. Just buy one without any risk/questions/hassle.

 

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rob#1

·Jun 27, 2019

Depends what the ‘interesting’ price is. If it was cheap enough I wouldn’t care too much, I’d have it as a beater.

 

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Lupo

·Jun 27, 2019

Price is 2900 euro, about 900 less a normal price for a long RS dial

 

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Davidt

·Jun 27, 2019

Do they actually sell for 3800€? I'm not sure they do.

 

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Lupo

·Jun 28, 2019

Davidt

Do they actually sell for 3800€? I'm not sure they do.

I see Speed "proposed" at 3600-3800 and more, but I don't know the real sell price. For RS dial i think isn't under 3500-3600, prices have risen a lot.
In 2013 a perfect 90 Speed, SR dial, 1800 euro and I didn't buy it... 🤦