Speedmaster Warranty Repair

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I think you’re confusing the commitment the dealer is showing with what they should be doing. There is nothing in it for them, hence why they’re not bending over backwards to please the buyer. It’s human nature, that’s all. Anyway, not in this to argue so I’ll not pass further comment on it.
To get out of whatever you want to call the discussion, the sincerest way to do that is just to stop responding...vs. making your final rhetorical argument and then announce you're done arguing. But this is just a conversation of different responses to a situation; it can be civil.

I'm not confused: the commitment the dealer is showing is exactly what they should be doing. Their company (and they) sell expensive delicately designed and constructed precision device that they know needs regular service and occasional major overhauls, and they're aware that it their responsibility to deal with defective units sold by the manufacturer under their express warranty. That's just part if the job they chose. They're not necessarily obligated to replace it at the customer's request; but they may have no choice depending on whether they can get it fixed within a reasonable number of tries and amount of time. Would he have been offered an immediate replacement if he'd bought it there? Quite possibly. Until the delay or number of tries becomes unreasonable, they have most if the leverage. Once it becomes unreasonable and he gets fed up, their roles can switch very quickly.

Well, I find some truth in what you're saying but I don't know if the same rules apply when it comes to watches.I bought my car from a known and somewhat reputable second hand lot, before sealing the deal I took it for an inspection in which they found some things-
- Engine light was on (I noticed that prior to the inspection).
- The brake light frame was cracked which let water into the roof and some water damage was visible on the inside of the car. I did a Google search and found out it happened to a handful of cars from the same model and everyone who had this issue was able to fix it under warranty. The car had a full year of warranty left and I was able to get a good price for it (18% lower than blue book) so I decided to go for it cause I know both problems were covered by the warranty.I bought the car and drove straight to the main service center, the fixed everything - no questions asked.

I don't disagree with much of that, and without meaning to sound rude, it doesn't really relate to the point of the discussion (what's appropriate to expect when you take a warrantied Omega for service into a boutique where you didn't buy it). That relates to other points, like safety, whether everything needs to be in writing, trusting verbal warranties and specific representations, etc. But it's got nothing to do with comparing the positions of the customer and the boutique as they relate to the warranty service or repair claim as a simple contracts issue and the UCC.

If you bought it with a Omega warranty, it's appropriate to expect the Omega boutique to take it in for service, even if they can choose to read the contract as strictly as possibly. The boutique is much less likely to offer a replacement (at least not without trying to get it repaired properly as quickly as possible for that kind of routine service, and as many times as you'll let them. But they're not doing it to be nice to him; they understand their obligation. I just think it takes some real balls (and not in the admirable way) on the poster who took it upon himself to tell another adult where he should or shouldn't buy a watch. No offense intended.
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I'd still like to know where the OP bought the watch, and if the warranty card was properly filled in. We wouldn't need to be arguing the issue if we had that information.
 
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The boutique is loosing money dealing with you: it takes time and effort to try and satisfy your needs i.e. a warranty repair. They are upholding their end of the deal so suck it up. Next time buy from an AD or boutique.

It depends on if the boutique is owned by Omega, or by an AD.

If it's owned by Omega, then other than some time dealing with someone who wasn't an original customer, and some shipping costs*, the boutique isn't out much of anything. Even if they are, Omega is footing the bill.

If the boutique is owned by an AD though, then it's a bit of a different situation. The money to pay for warranty repairs is supposed to come from the margins of the original sale, so it's paid by the AD or depending on the country the regional distributor, not by Omega. If the OB in this case is run by an AD, they may be footing the bill out of their own pockets, so in that respect you may be right - this may be costing them money.

If you read the warranty that came with your watch, the primary commitment is repairing it under warranty. Replacement watches are only done in extenuating circumstances. People often believe this is the first option that should be employed, but it isn't.

I have some sympathy for the OP here, but also the boutique. They are now handling a watch they didn't sell, might be paying out of pocket to fix, and through no fault of their own, the watch came back faulty, and some here appear to think they are somehow the bad guys. Retail is tough...

*Note that the entity that receives the watch from the customer is not obligated to pay the costs of shipping the watch back and forth for warranty repairs - that is optional and most AD's and OB's will cover this, but Omega policies do allow them to bill the customer for it if they so choose.
 
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I'd still like to know where the OP bought the watch, and if the warranty card was properly filled in. We wouldn't need to be arguing the issue if we had that information.

If it wasn't, he would not have a warranty...

From the Customer Service policy:

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The warranty certificate of sold OMEGA items is issued once only. This means that OMEGA HQ declines all demands for valid replacement of warranty cards (duly filled in) as it is clearly stated in our Operating Instructions booklet that the warranty certificates must be dated, fully and correctly completed and stamped by an official dealer (not from Swatch Group affiliates/local organizations or OMEGA HQ).
 
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If it wasn't, he would not have a warranty...

From the Customer Service policy:

Sold products

The warranty certificate of sold OMEGA items is issued once only. This means that OMEGA HQ declines all demands for valid replacement of warranty cards (duly filled in) as it is clearly stated in our Operating Instructions booklet that the warranty certificates must be dated, fully and correctly completed and stamped by an official dealer (not from Swatch Group affiliates/local organizations or OMEGA HQ).
That's what I was getting at Al. Maybe the Boutique are actually doing the OP a big favour even though the warranty may be invalid, because the watch is only a couple of months old.
 
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It depends on if the boutique is owned by Omega, or by an AD.

If it's owned by Omega, then other than some time dealing with someone who wasn't an original customer, and some shipping costs*, the boutique isn't out much of anything. Even if they are, Omega is footing the bill.

If the boutique is owned by an AD though, then it's a bit of a different situation. The money to pay for warranty repairs is supposed to come from the margins of the original sale, so it's paid by the AD or depending on the country the regional distributor, not by Omega. If the OB in this case is run by an AD, they may be footing the bill out of their own pockets, so in that respect you may be right - this may be costing them money.

If you read the warranty that came with your watch, the primary commitment is repairing it under warranty. Replacement watches are only done in extenuating circumstances. People often believe this is the first option that should be employed, but it isn't.

I have some sympathy for the OP here, but also the boutique. They are now handling a watch they didn't sell, might be paying out of pocket to fix, and through no fault of their own, the watch came back faulty, and some here appear to think they are somehow the bad guys. Retail is tough...

*Note that the entity that receives the watch from the customer is not obligated to pay the costs of shipping the watch back and forth for warranty repairs - that is optional and most AD's and OB's will cover this, but Omega policies do allow them to bill the customer for it if they so choose.
In the case of my Panerai (boutique edition), which I bought online from Panerai Europe, that had a particle on the dial which I noticed after 2 months. I brought it to my local AD as a warranty issue and was charged €75 for shipping and handling to Italy to get it solved. Having contacted the concierge at Panerai Europe it was that or bringing it to the closest boutique in London, Paris or Germany, not a logistic option from Holland.
 
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In the case of my Panerai (boutique edition), which I bought online from Panerai Europe, that had a particle on the dial which I noticed after 2 months. I brought it to my local AD as a warranty issue and was charged €75 for shipping and handling to Italy to get it solved. Having contacted the concierge at Panerai Europe it was that or bringing it to the closest boutique in London, Paris or Germany, not a logistic option from Holland.

Yep - most AD's or Boutiques will cover it, but people still consider them to be evil if they don't offer an immediate replacement watch on the spot. Sometimes people aren't terribly reasonable in these situations...
 
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I agree with this except for the part about hiring a lawyer being a necessity. They can definitely opt to continue servicing it a few times instead of replacing it; but I don't think they can refuse to replace it indefinitely, notwithstanding where you bought it. Yes, the warranty is written like that so that Omega can decide between servicing and replacing, but they're still obligated to what's "reasonable" and couldn't continue refusing to replace it for a year after 10 service attempts (just for example). What's "reasonable" would be determined by the judge (or arbitrator) and your only real limitation is the $ jurisdictional limit in small claims court, where you don't need a lawyer. They do business everywhere, but you'll still have a much easier time with jurisdictional issues if they actually maintain corporate offices and/or an Omega dealership wherever you'd be suing them. In NYC, it's a $5,000 limit and they have a flagship dealership, so it would be pretty straightforward if it comes back unfixed a few more times.

I'd also suggest scanning that warranty card, just in case some schmuck behind the counter decides to be a vigilante about it and refuses to return it...not that it would be easy for them to answer why they serviced it the first time without any card, but still...just to CYA.

Great S/N & avatar. You been skating lately? (I've been on wheels since April and Marsblades since June...only once a week back on ice at sticks& pucks since August...no league play here yet.)

Thanks for the advice on the warranty card. I didn't think of it.
 
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Yep - most AD's or Boutiques will cover it, but people still consider them to be evil if they don't offer an immediate replacement watch on the spot. Sometimes people aren't terribly reasonable in these situations...

I agree, but mostly it depends on how the AD manager explains the situation, i.e. "eW will send your watch to the shop for a warranty repair as many times as necessary but we cannot consider replacing it until we know the problem can't be fixed." Instead of "We are sending your watch for a warranty repair at NO COST because you have a warranty card but we WILL NOT replace the watch because you bought it elsewhere."

The first statement would have given me peace of mind and not make me feel like a guy that stole a watch and then asked for a replacement.
 
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There is really no reason that a new, PROPERLY serviced 1861 movement can't be brought back into spec, you unfortunately had a bad repair job done. It isn't clear from your original post but who did the repair work, an Omega service center or a third-party that the boutique sent the watch to? You should insist that that the watch go back to Omega for proper servicing, especially after the first attempt was cocked up.

They sent it out to an Omega Service center in Secaucus, NJ.
 
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I agree, but mostly it depends on how the AD manager explains the situation, i.e. "eW will send your watch to the shop for a warranty repair as many times as necessary but we cannot consider replacing it until we know the problem can't be fixed." Instead of "We are sending your watch for a warranty repair at NO COST because you have a warranty card but we WILL NOT replace the watch because you bought it elsewhere."

The first statement would have given me peace of mind and not make me feel like a guy that stole a watch and then asked for a replacement.

I understand you are upset that the watch didn’t work, and that the first repair wasn’t done properly. But we are only getting half the story here. I read your first post again, and I don’t see where the person you spoke to said that they would completely refuse to replace the watch, at least the way it’s worded. He did say that because you didn’t buy it there he couldn’t replace it right away, but not that this was forever.

Honestly, wait for the watch to be repaired, and I would be surprised if it has an issue the second time around.

Or continue to be outraged and keep your blood pressure high. Your choice.
 
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I'd still like to know where the OP bought the watch, and if the warranty card was properly filled in. We wouldn't need to be arguing the issue if we had that information.

The warranty card was stamped by an AD in Canada with a purchase date of April, 2020.
 
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How would they know where you bought or how much you paid...I would just tell them it has been repaired once and is worse than when originally sent off for repair and would like it fixed or replaced under warranty. Nobody's business how much you paid or where purchased...as long as came with full authorized warranty and is legit.
I feel this is more about the place you visited not wanting to get involved above repair since you did not buy it there....that personal service is part of what they sell to customers who buy from them.
 
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I understand you are upset that the watch didn’t work, and that the first repair wasn’t done properly. But we are only getting half the story here. I read your first post again, and I don’t see where the person you spoke to said that they would completely refuse to replace the watch, at least the way it’s worded. He did say that because you didn’t buy it there he couldn’t replace it right away, but not that this was forever.

Honestly, wait for the watch to be repaired, and I would be surprised if it has an issue the second time around.

Or continue to be outraged and keep your blood pressure high. Your choice.

"She" specifically said they WILL NOT replace the watch regardless of the warranty and they will send the watch out for repair as many times as it requires.

The reason I started this post was to understand better how these warranties are interpreted. This is my first time going to an AD for a warranty repair.

I understand they don't gain anything by helping me with this and the situation they are in. But my question was very straight forward: If the watch comes back malfunctioning a 3rd time - what happens next? The manager said "sorry, you are poor, nothing else can be done" and the tech said "I will do everything in my power to fix this - we screwed up". I'm paraphrasing here, but you get the point.
 
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How would they know where you bought or how much you paid...I would just tell them it has been repaired once and is worse than when originally sent off for repair and would like it fixed or replaced under warranty. Nobody's business how much you paid or where purchased...as long as came with full authorized warranty and is legit.
I feel this is more about the place you visited not wanting to get involved above repair since you did not buy it there....that personal service is part of what they sell to customers who buy from them.

Completely agree.
 
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The warranty card was stamped by an AD in Canada with a purchase date of April, 2020.

So you bought it from a Canadian AD, or bought it used from someone who bought it from a Canadian AD? Or it was bought from a GM who had It stamped from a Canadian AD? Are you dealing with a Canadian OB in TO or VAN? In my experience, the TO has been a lot easier to work with.
 
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"She" specifically said they WILL NOT replace the watch regardless of the warranty and they will send the watch out for repair as many times as it requires.

The reason I started this post was to understand better how these warranties are interpreted. This is my first time going to an AD for a warranty repair.

I understand they don't gain anything by helping me with this and the situation they are in. But my question was very straight forward: If the watch comes back malfunctioning a 3rd time - what happens next? The manager said "sorry, you are poor, nothing else can be done" and the tech said "I will do everything in my power to fix this - we screwed up". I'm paraphrasing here, but you get the point.

Until you get the watch back, there’s no need to get wound up about this (no pun intended).

I have no idea what the reasoning was the the technician gave you (what you referred to as a “hypothetical excuse “) but these movements are not difficult to service. I’ve serviced hundreds of them and again it is unlikely that you will have a problem after the second service. But people are human and sometimes mistakes happen. The way you have described your interaction with the boutique and your responses here do make me wonder if there isn’t some push back from the people at the boutique.

Let them do the job and I’m sure it will be right when it comes back.
 
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Other things I wanted to note that have not been discussed here. Does the Speedmaster has an antimagnetic case? I thought it did. There were some notes on the service invoice that I didn't like very much:

-Strap is worn - I sent it in with the NATO strap so they won't mess the leather strap, never used.
-Watch shows signs of normal wear - At that point I had only worn the watch twice, in fact the decal on the back case was still on. I did notice the watch had tiny scratches on the crystal when I got it back, decided not to make a big deal and fix it later with Polywatch. Never had the chance since I had to sent it back again.
 
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Until you get the watch back, there’s no need to get wound up about this (no pun intended).

I have no idea what the reasoning was the the technician gave you (what you referred to as a “hypothetical excuse “) but these movements are not difficult to service. I’ve serviced hundreds of them and again it is unlikely that you will have a problem after the second service. But people are human and sometimes mistakes happen. The way you have described your interaction with the boutique and your responses here do make me wonder if there isn’t some push back from the people at the boutique.

Let them do the job and I’m sure it will be right when it comes back.

To be precise, the Tech said "I don't know how this happened, the numbers don't add up and this is unacceptable for a watch that has just been serviced. If I have to guess, the tech worked on this watch at the end of the day, ready to go home, replaced the part, put it on the machine and somehow checked all the boxes, I don't know, but this is wrong."

I might be missing more details here and there but that's what he said, in a nutshell.
 
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Other things I wanted to note that have not been discussed here. Does the Speedmaster has an antimagnetic case?

No, it has an inner cover that helps it resist being magnetized, but it can still be magnetized.

There were some notes on the service invoice that I didn't like very much:

-Strap is worn - I sent it in with the NATO strap so they won't mess the leather strap, never used.
-Watch shows signs of normal wear - At that point I had only worn the watch twice, in fact the decal on the back case was still on. I did notice the watch had tiny scratches on the crystal when I got it back, decided not to make a big deal and fix it later with Polywatch. Never had the chance since I had to sent it back again.

As much as you didn’t like what was written, it’s normal for them to note the condition of the watch when it came in.