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Speedmaster vs seamaster? Co-axial?

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I inherited my Dad's 1958 Seamaster. Being cleaned and lubed now. I'm thinking I probably shouldn't wear it daily. I may get a big sales spiff and thinking may take some and splurge on a new daily wear.

Torn between two traditional looking Omegas:

Omega Men's 212.30.41.20.01.003 Seamaster Black Dial Watch

Omega Men's 3570.50.00 Speedmaster Professional Watch with Stainless Steel Bracelet

Also, I read that post 2013 all Omegas have the co-axial movement. I could not find verification that these two models are definitively co-axial which is a requirement for me.

I have a small wrist at 171.5mm. Thoughts?
 
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Aqw1942 Aqw1942
I inherited my Dad's 1958 Seamaster. Being cleaned and lubed now. I'm thinking I probably shouldn't wear it daily. I may get a big sales spiff and thinking may take some and splurge on a new daily wear.

Torn between two traditional looking Omegas:

Omega Men's 212.30.41.20.01.003 Seamaster Black Dial Watch

Omega Men's 3570.50.00 Speedmaster Professional Watch with Stainless Steel Bracelet

Also, I read that post 2013 all Omegas have the co-axial movement. I could not find verification that these two models are definitively co-axial which is a requirement for me.

I have a small wrist at 171.5mm. Thoughts?

The Speedmaster is a manually wound non co axial watch. That movement dates to 1969 and went around the moon and into space on the outside of spacesuits.

The seamaster states it is co axial on the dial 馃槈

Why is it a big deal to you?
 
Motman
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I thought it was only the Speedmaster professionals that were manual wind? The Speedmaster '57 is co-axial and possibly the Sapphire sandwich. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.
 
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3570 is a professional Moonwatch. The sapphire sandwich is also a manual wind professional, sapphire sandwich just means the caseback and crystal are sapphire.
 
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Foo2rama Foo2rama
The Speedmaster is a manually wound non co axial watch. That movement dates to 1969 and went around the moon and into space on the outside of spacesuits.

The seamaster states it is co axial on the dial 馃槈

Why is it a big deal to you?
What do you mean, it sounds cool 馃榿
 
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Cobain Cobain
What do you mean, it sounds cool 馃榿
?
 
Motman
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"The Speedmaster is a manually wound non co axial watch."
Plenty of non-Pro Speedies have a co-axial movement. You spend that sort of money, you don't want to be winding them up every day, do you? Although some say it gives them a 'connection' with the watch. Funnily enough, nobody wants that same connection with their cars these days and that's why you don't see starting handles on them!

https://www.omegawatches.com/watche...ch/omega-co-axial-chronograph/31192445101003/

https://www.omegawatches.com/watche...moonphase-chronograph-4425-mm/30433445203001/

https://www.omegawatches.com/watche...xial-chronograph-424-x-462-mm/32720435001001/

https://www.omegawatches.com/watche...a-co-axial-chronograph-415-mm/33110425101002/
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Foo2rama
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Motman Motman
"The Speedmaster is a manually wound non co axial watch."
Plenty of non-Pro Speedies have a co-axial movement. You spend that sort of money, you don't want to be winding them up every day, do you? Although some say it gives them a 'connection' with the watch. Funnily enough, nobody wants that same connection with their cars these days and that's why you don't see starting handles on them!

https://www.omegawatches.com/watche...ch/omega-co-axial-chronograph/31192445101003/

https://www.omegawatches.com/watche...moonphase-chronograph-4425-mm/30433445203001/

https://www.omegawatches.com/watche...xial-chronograph-424-x-462-mm/32720435001001/

https://www.omegawatches.com/watche...a-co-axial-chronograph-415-mm/33110425101002/

Without going into the pros and cons of automatic vs hand wound. Please view my statement in context. I was referring to the Speedmaster linked in the original post. A 3570 or 861/1861 movement Speedmaster.

I am fully aware that outside of the 321/861/1861 and related moonphase watches, all other Speedmasters are automatic.
 
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Ah, I see. You meant the Speedmaster (as opposed to the Seamaster) in the OP's post. Apologies, I misunderstood.
 
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Motman Motman
I thought it was only the Speedmaster professionals that were manual wind?

Nope. Omega makes other models that are manual wind also...for example the new Tresor with the Cal. 8511, and there are others certainly.

Motman Motman
"You spend that sort of money, you don't want to be winding them up every day, do you?

It's a personal preference I guess. I have several manual wind watches, including a Speedmaster I'm wearing right now:



And then there's this Nomos:



And then my GO, which I can assure you was a lot more expensive than a Speedmaster was at the time I bought the watch:



Having no automatic winding system in the way means I can see more of the movement:



I don't think winding my watch once a day is really equal to having a hand crank on a high compression car engine that I may have to start multiple times per day. If you like having only automatics, that's fine, but winding a watch once a day is hardly a significant burden physically, at least for most people.

Foo2rama Foo2rama
I am fully aware that outside of the 321/861/1861 and related moonphase watches, all other Speedmasters are automatic.

Almost! There is the F. Piguet based 3201 manual wind movement found in the 31133425001001 50th anniversary model...it is also co-axial.

Cheers, Al
 
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Almost! There is the F. Piguet based 3201 manual wind movement found in the 31133425001001 50th anniversary model...it is also co-axial.

Cheers, Al

Dang! I forgot about that outlier! Thanks!

Also a good GTG bar bet... name a manually wound co axial watch? Is there any 42mm Speedmasters manual winds without a Lemania movement? Name a manually wound, column wheel in a Speedmaster that is not Lemania powered.
 
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Great timing for me and this thread. I need a punch in the face to stop thinking that the manual wind current speedmaster 1861 movement is not as good as the current master co axial metas certified. Archer if you could PM me or reply I would greatly appreciate it
QUOTE="Archer, post: 732724, member: 2441"]Nope. Omega makes other models that are manual wind also...for example the new Tresor with the Cal. 8511, and there are others certainly.



It's a personal preference I guess. I have several manual wind watches, including a Speedmaster I'm wearing right now:



And then there's this Nomos:



And then my GO, which I can assure you was a lot more expensive than a Speedmaster was at the time I bought the watch:



Having no automatic winding system in the way means I can see more of the movement:



I don't think winding my watch once a day is really equal to having a hand crank on a high compression car engine that I may have to start multiple times per day. If you like having only automatics, that's fine, but winding a watch once a day is hardly a significant burden physically, at least for most people.



Almost! There is the F. Piguet based 3201 manual wind movement found in the 31133425001001 50th anniversary model...it is also co-axial.

Cheers, Al[/QUOTE]
 
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To be honest, I would wear your dad's awesome watch. I hope that's the decision my son makes some day.
 
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Great timing for me and this thread. I need a punch in the face to stop thinking that the manual wind current speedmaster 1861 movement is not as good as the current master co axial metas certified. Archer if you could PM me or reply I would greatly appreciate it

Not sure if there is a specific question there or not? If you are asking which movement is better if either is, then you have to define what you mean by better. The Cal. 1861 is not COSC certified, let alone METAS, so it won't likely be as accurate. It's not especially anti-magnetic, so it has more of a chance to be magnetized. It's not co-axial, doesn't have a silicon balance spring, it's manual winding - all these things might be seen as negatives, but for me it doesn't really matter.

The 1861 is proven to be reliable, and if properly looked after will last indefinitely.

Cheers, Al
 
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I'm new myself with Omega world and my finding is

3570.50.00, was replaced by 311.30.42.30.01.005 (Hesalite crystal) or 311.30.42.30.01.006 (Sapphire Crystal). They don't make anymore a combo of Hesa glass dome and Sapphire back case.
 
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Archer Archer
Not sure if there is a specific question there or not? If you are asking which movement is better if either is, then you have to define what you mean by better. The Cal. 1861 is not COSC certified, let alone METAS, so it won't likely be as accurate. It's not especially anti-magnetic, so it has more of a chance to be magnetized. It's not co-axial, doesn't have a silicon balance spring, it's manual winding - all these things might be seen as negatives, but for me it doesn't really matter.

The 1861 is proven to be reliable, and if properly looked after will last indefinitely.

Cheers, Al
Thank you Al I know your busy. I was just thinking of what is overall better to keep a lifetime. That answers it.
 
Aqw1942
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OP here... plan on leather banding my Dad's Seamaster and wearing more selectively. Although i may rethink that as constantly resetting the date may get old mit seems to have about a two to two and a half day reserve?

I read that the co-axial move,net requires less maintenance? Well, maybe that's not a big deal. How often should I get my Dads seamaster cleaned and lubed?
 
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