Speedmaster Moonwatch 321 Platinum

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That is actually “sold in”, whether it will come to be sold out it is yet to be seen. How may anyone claim all 6969 were sold to customers, I am not aware at all. IMHO that is assumption based on personal appreciation of the model.

To sell something in you have to sell something to a retailer, in this case a watch, so Omega's marketing team would contact retailers promote the watch and get the retailers to place an order based on what they think they could sell, that is called selling in.

When you open an order book and ask people to confirm that they want the goods that are being offered by placing an order, in this case for a watch, the company (Omega in this case) will accept orders until the combined number of orders matches or exceeds the number of items available for sale, when that happens it is called selling out.

In this case retailers stopped taking further orders as the number of units available (6969) had been reached, this creates a 'sell-out' not a 'sell-in'.

Hope this helps 😀
 
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In this case retailers stopped taking further orders as the number of units available (6969) had been reached, this creates a 'sell-out' not a 'sell-in'.
That is called wishful thinking. Unless you are able to prove it of course. And that surely is beyond the abilities of anyone. Only time will be able to let us know. In a year or so it will become clear.
 
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That is called wishful thinking. Unless you are able to prove it of course. And that surely is beyond the abilities of anyone. Only time will be able to let us know. In a year or so it will become clear.

I've lost the will to live, if you wont face facts then there is no point in continuing the discussion.
 
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I've lost the will to live, if you wont face facts then there is no point in continuing the discussion.
Sorry if that is what I caused. I will rest my case as well!
 
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I hope that the price is reasonable, below 7500, but those more experienced in these matter believe that the price will be much much higher.

The chances that a SS 321 will be available for less than $7,500 is between nil and none. Omega is not going to sell this new movement at only a $2,000 premium over the 1861 version. No way, no how. Keep on dreaming.
 
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The chances that a SS 321 will be available for less than $7,500 is between nil and none. Omega is not going to sell this new movement at only a $2,000 premium over the 1861 version. No way, no how. Keep on dreaming.

I was thinking good old GBP, so £7500, which was the price of the A11 50th, I know that it is likely to be above this figure but I can dream, can’t I? 😀
 
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I was thinking good old GBP, so £7500, which was the price of the A11 50th, I know that it is likely to be above this figure but I can dream, can’t I? 😀
Even at that price you need to keep on dreaming.
 
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I’m in if the price is around 12k USD for an all stainless one.
 
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I’m in if the price is around 12k USD for an all stainless one.

Hmm, £9600 ish, on the high side of what I might be able to put together but if the watch is that good, then a stretch may be possible
 
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Sounds like the 321 SS appearance is going to be in the same time window as the 50 anniversary snoopy .
 
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Sounds like the 321 SS appearance is going to be in the same time window as the 50 anniversary snoopy .

Maybe the first SS 321 will be the A13 50th?
 
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Maybe the first SS 321 will be the A13 50th?
Be prepared to up the premium $$$$ , wait list for snoopy reportedly opened .. I am going to drop a note to my OB
 
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Sounds like the 321 SS appearance is going to be in the same time window as the 50 anniversary snoopy .
Maybe the Snoopy will have a 321.....kill two birds with one stone.
 
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Maybe the Snoopy will have a 321.....kill two birds with one stone.
Does make sense .. last snoopy was for 1970 pieces ... 321 is for 2000 pieces less platinum.. Bingo? Am going to shoot (book) first and ask questions later... it will also create a real buzz knowing how collectors loved the current snoopy and in a way protect its standing
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Sounds like the 321 SS appearance is going to be in the same time window as the 50 anniversary snoopy .

there will be mayhem on the streets......
 
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Does make sense .. last snoopy was for 1970 pieces ... 321 is for 2000 pieces less platinum.. Bingo? Am going to shoot (book) first and ask questions later... it will also create a real buzz knowing how collectors loved the current snoopy and in a way protect its standing
But after what happened to the Snoopy's market price last time, and with the use of the 321, you can bet Omega would really extract a high price for the 50th. They could probably justify a $20k to $25k price for a 1970 pc edition, a similar price to what the Silver Snoopy is going for at the present time on the secondary market. I've said it before, Omega is getting smart on these things and is going up market.
 
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But after what happened to the Snoopy's market price last time, and with the use of the 321, you can bet Omega would really extract a high price for the 50th. They could probably justify a $20k to $25k price for a 1970 pc edition, a similar price to what the Silver Snoopy is going for at the present time on the secondary market. I've said it before, Omega is getting smart on these things and is going up market.
Reading almost any of your posts it looks the higher the price the better is for you. Do you work for Omega or something, as otherwise I am not able to comprehend how may one dream paying more for something that may cost less? And mind you all here make just wild guesses to a certain extent. Or is just a contest of who is the smartest?
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Reading almost any of your posts it looks the higher the price the better is for you. Do you work for Omega or something, as otherwise I am not able to comprehend how may one dream paying more for something that may cost less? And mind you all here make just wild guesses to a certain extent.
No, I don't work for any watch company, but after 40 years of collecting and observation of the watch business I just observe what is happening that many Omega fans don't see or refuse to see/acknowledge, Omega's business plan (any consumer company's plan really) is to better control production, introduce new models and technologies, control discounting and realize higher prices for their product. The days of well discounted Omegas from grey market dealers is being addressed by Omega. Omega is not going to give away 321 based watches for cheap prices, it will be marketed as a premium product for discerning collectors, hence the super premium platinum version just announced and the yet to be released version in stainless steel. If the platinum version is somewhere around $60k which seems to be a pretty firm ballpark number, and applying typical markups for precious metal watches vs. steel, a steel version would be somewhere around $20k on the lower end. I'm not dreaming any of this stuff up, but just paying attention to what's going on. I collect just like everyone else, I don't want to pay anymore than I have to, but I'm realistic as to what is coming down the pike and what strategies all companies use to increase sales and capture as much of the sales on the bottom line. Omega is no different, they might be a little slow to get their act together but over the last several years a firm plan is gelling and being put into action.
 
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No, I don't work for any watch company, but after 40 years of collecting and observation of the watch business I just observe what is happening that many Omega fans don't see or refuse to see/acknowledge, Omega's business plan (any consumer company's plan really) is to better control production, introduce new models and technologies, control discounting and realize higher prices for their product. The days of well discounted Omegas from grey market dealers is being addressed by Omega. Omega is not going to give away 321 based watches for cheap prices, it will be marketed as a premium product for discerning collectors, hence the super premium platinum version just announced and the yet to be released version in stainless steel. If the platinum version is somewhere around $60k which seems to be a pretty firm ballpark number, and applying typical markups for precious metal watches vs. steel, a steel version would be somewhere around $20k on the lower end. I'm not dreaming any of this stuff up, but just paying attention to what's going on. I collect just like everyone else, I don't want to pay anymore than I have to, but I'm realistic as to what is coming down the pike and what strategies all companies use to increase sales and capture as much of the sales on the bottom line. Omega is no different, they might be a little slow to get their act together but over the last several years a firm plan is gelling and being put into action.
I do not want to entangle myself in a second dispute. So, please excuse me! But .... in order to justify a pricing level of 60 k for a platinum chronograph on a leather strap and a SS at 20 k don’t you think you have to build up an arse for that? And don’t you think you have to be consistent in your policy? How may one amongst the management of Omega imagine that would be achievable if:
- a release of LE after LE takes place,
- 2/3 of the new releases even WIS don’t talk about,
- quite often Omega copycats its existing successful models,
- there are so many models of whatever line you take - Seamaster 300, PO, Seamster Pro, Speedmaster etc etc,
- there are so many dealers and it looks apart of how much they are supposed to buy as stock there is no other regulation over them.
So in order to justify pricing level Omega has to address these issues and have these solved. And that does not happen overnight.
So at the end you may be right and they may ask for ridiculous prices, claiming how difficult 321 is to be made (something I strongly doubt) but at the end they will just get another butt kick from the 99.9% of the market that has nothing to do with us. Ask yourself whether the average Chinese (as they combined with HK and Sing make close to 1/3 of global market) gives anything (just minding my words) to get an Omega chronograph in SS with 321 at 20 k USD while at that pricing level he/she may get a Daytona even at grey prices (and almost any other Rolex that is not PM, and in some cases even PM), IWC, JL, Cartier etc, even some entry level pieces of PP and ALS.
And just as a conclusion, Omega, because of its parent is too much obsessed with short-term profit and if a brand wants to be successful in the years to come in such a waning market as mechanical watch one, short-term profit should be forgotten and only the long-term one should be targeted at.
I do apologise if i bored you again.
 
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$60k is hilarious for a Speedy in platinum on leather.

Can’t wait to see what the discount is.

There’s a lot of fancy precious metal and top end watches to compete against at that price point.

As for $20k for an SS 321. Not even sure what magic 8 ball was used to randomize a number out of thin air and stick to it if was written in stone brought down by Moses himself.