Speedmaster Moonwatch 321 Platinum

rominvicta · Jul 22, 2019

Too much ado about nothing. Soon we shall see. Though one thing is for sure, Omega will try milking the cow. So what is not certain whether the cow will be happy with that. That will soon become obvious. In a year after the release, prices will settle and then we shall see who is wrong and who is right.

queriver · Jul 23, 2019

The costs associated with doing the moon meteorite sub-dials are IMHO the big cost unknown with this 321 release.

We're not talking about "normal" meteorites that could have originated anywhere in space which are what Omega have used on dials to date. This moon material is scarcer than hens teeth because it is material that, due to a meteorite strike on the Moon, was ejected from the Moon's surface, escaped the Moon's gravitational pull, was drawn into Earth's gravitational pull, survived entry thru Earth's atmosphere, and finally landed somewhere where it could be collected and identified. What are the chances?

A Google search on moon meteorites for sale highlights the asking prices for the very small quantities of this material that exist. Then you need to factor in the need to produce slices that are both visually appealing, and match on the dial, and that may be a very small proportion of what was purchased. Material losses in production and accidental breakage of the thin discs need to be accounted for and the end result may be Omega get to use, who knows, perhaps not even 1% of some very expensive source material. Bottom line... this is something Omega took into account in setting their price, and the price is higher because of it, and don't expect to see moon meteorite on any SS version of the 321.

Martin_J_N · Jul 23, 2019

queriver
don't expect to see moon meteorite on any SS version of the 321.

Totally agree, the SS version doesn't need all the glitz of the platinum version, keep it simple and the price down

Newatch321 · Jul 23, 2019

As new to watch collecting, Omega is confusing me with the release of 3 watches in commemorating the 50 years. Again, I am not in the market for the platinum version but definitely for the 321 engine. Now I am torn if I really want the 50 year SS or wait for a release of a 321 SS version. Any comments/suggestions are appreciated.

YY77 · Jul 23, 2019

Newatch321
As new to watch collecting, Omega is confusing me with the release of 3 watches in commemorating the 50 years. Again, I am not in the market for the platinum version but definitely for the 321 engine. Now I am torn if I really want the 50 year SS or wait for a release of a 321 SS version. Any comments/suggestions are appreciated.

If you think the 321 will be at the same price level you should wait, however you could miss out on the Apollo 11 at retail price if the 321 will be sold at a higher MSRP, which I expect it to be (€18k).

Evitzee · Jul 23, 2019

Newatch321
As new to watch collecting, Omega is confusing me with the release of 3 watches in commemorating the 50 years. Again, I am not in the market for the platinum version but definitely for the 321 engine. Now I am torn if I really want the 50 year SS or wait for a release of a 321 SS version. Any comments/suggestions are appreciated.

The 321 really isn't commemorating 50 years, it's not numbered, not engraved as such. The general public would be clueless of any space tie in.

The 321 will be a lot more than the 50th and we have no idea when it might be available. I'd buy the 50th and just hold on to it and then you can decide when, if, a SS 321 comes out. Bird in the hand.....

Martin_J_N · Jul 23, 2019

Evitzee
The 321 really isn't commemorating 50 years, it's not numbered, not engraved as such. The general public would be clueless of any space tie in.

The 321 will be a lot more than the 50th and we have no idea when it might be available. I'd buy the 50th and just hold on to it and then you can decide when, if, a SS 321 comes out. Bird in the hand.....

Didn't realise that there were any 50th in SS available I thought that they were all sold, the only watches available are those on various watch sites that have been sold by initial owners?

As for the 321 in SS, there is no reason for the watch to be above the 50th in price, after all it shouldn't have gold or pictures on the dial, it should just be a SS Speedmaster watch with updated styling, maybe a ceramic bezel but otherwise similar to the current Speedy. I don't see Omega making an homage to earlier editions of the Speedmaster as that would undermine the vintage market that thrives on those earlier editions.

But if you have the money and can get a 50th I would buy, as mention by @Evitzee 'Bird in the hand.....'

greyfox422 · Jul 23, 2019

Steve88M3
Well I’ll be damned....I actually like it.

Perhaps I will even get one...!

Please show it off when you do.

cfracing · Jul 23, 2019

Martin_J_N
As for the 321 in SS, there is no reason for the watch to be above the 50th in price, after all it shouldn't have gold or pictures on the dial, it should just be a SS Speedmaster watch with updated styling, maybe a ceramic bezel but otherwise similar to the current Speedy.

Except it will have the "new" caliber 321 which will be in limited production. I also hope the SS 321 Speedy will be priced so that I can buy one, but I realistically don't think that will happen. I suspect the price will be 5-digit U.S. dollars and therefore more than the 50th Anniversary.

tzachi · Jul 23, 2019

Nice watch on its own.
All "attached" heritage doesn't do it for me.

Newatch321 · Jul 24, 2019

Evitzee
The 321 really isn't commemorating 50 years, it's not numbered, not engraved as such. The general public would be clueless of any space tie in.

The 321 will be a lot more than the 50th and we have no idea when it might be available. I'd buy the 50th and just hold on to it and then you can decide when, if, a SS 321 comes out. Bird in the hand.....

Thanks for the comments, I just think about brand dilution again new movement on 50th anniversary and then another movement of the famous 321; what is the approach as a business decision. Again, we all try to buy stuff we want and at the same time want something that is relevant. Maybe if money was not an issue, I would think differently, but paying 10k for and then waiting 6 or 8 months for it while heritage dilution is present, is a new approach for me.

EricCsN · Jul 24, 2019

So the 50th anniversary with 6969 in quantity disappeared all too soon . How soon you think it takes for a 321 STainless Steel with total of 2000 movements per year that it has to share with its platinum twin (albeit small)? This will be like the stainless steel Daytona or the Pepsi: you won’t be able to have it even if you are on the queue for years nor when you have $$$ ready to go..... so those who think they will get a 321 SS cheap and % off MSRP needs to wake up to a new reality of hard to get Omegas . Or even to get one by simply walking in to an OB or a AD or by putting your name on a queue... wake up . At 2000 per year there are simply not enough of them to go round.. it takes 3 years just to get to 6000 movements c.f. 6969 astronaut badass model which vanished before you realise what happened ...

rominvicta · Jul 24, 2019

EricCsN
So the 50th anniversary with 6969 in quantity disappeared all too soon . How soon you think it takes for a 321 STainless Steel with total of 2000 movements per year that it has to share with its platinum twin (albeit small)? This will be like the stainless steel Daytona or the Pepsi: you won’t be able to have it even if you are on the queue for years nor when you have $$$ ready to go..... so those who think they will get a 321 SS cheap and % off MSRP needs to wake up to a new reality of hard to get Omegas . Or even to get one by simply walking in to an OB or a AD or by putting your name on a queue... wake up . At 2000 per year there are simply not enough of them to go round.. it takes 3 years just to get to 6000 movements c.f. 6969 astronaut badass model which vanished before you realise what happened ...

Let’s see before we start making wild guesses. You haven't even seen it! Making a comparison with Daytona is a bit exaggerated. Unlike Daytona, I am sure almost none outside of OF cares about SS 321. For majority of potential customers it will be just another hand-wound Omega. Until it earns status of Daytona at least a decade would pass.
And while you claim disappearance of 50th SS that is again a wild guess, and even if you have insider info you may just claim they are sold in. The same was the situation with Speedmaster 60th, and turned out that even as of today one may find it sitting with OB and AD. So sold out is quite different from sold in.

guaranteed.rohu · Jul 24, 2019

interesting that omega thinks they'll be able to sell 2000 $50k+ platinum speedys! looks cool but I personally can't see a waiting list for this piece forming

Evitzee · Jul 24, 2019

guaranteed.rohu
interesting that omega thinks they'll be able to sell 2000 $50k+ platinum speedys! looks cool but I personally can't see a waiting list for this piece forming

Omega is not planning to sell 2000 platinum watches. They can only make 2000 321's a year (real or artificial limit). Some in platinum the rest in other metals, maybe.

rominvicta · Jul 25, 2019

Evitzee
Omega is not planning to sell 2000 platinum watches. They can only make 2000 321's a year (real or artificial limit). Some in platinum the rest in other metals, maybe.

2000 pieces per year of 321 split between Pt and Ss. Majority surely will be Ss.

Canuck · Jul 25, 2019

Palladium and iridium are both almost twice the price of platinum. Seems they “economized” by making it in platinum. 😁

EricCsN · Jul 25, 2019

rominvicta
Let’s see before we start making wild guesses. You haven't even seen it! Making a comparison with Daytona is a bit exaggerated. Unlike Daytona, I am sure almost none outside of OF cares about SS 321. For majority of potential customers it will be just another hand-wound Omega. Until it earns status of Daytona at least a decade would pass.
And while you claim disappearance of 50th SS that is again a wild guess, and even if you have insider info you may just claim they are sold in. The same was the situation with Speedmaster 60th, and turned out that even as of today one may find it sitting with OB and AD. So sold out is quite different from sold in.

Sorry I am too indifferent to reply ..

Martin_J_N · Jul 25, 2019

rominvicta
Let’s see before we start making wild guesses. You haven't even seen it! Making a comparison with Daytona is a bit exaggerated. Unlike Daytona, I am sure almost none outside of OF cares about SS 321. For majority of potential customers it will be just another hand-wound Omega. Until it earns status of Daytona at least a decade would pass.
And while you claim disappearance of 50th SS that is again a wild guess, and even if you have insider info you may just claim they are sold in. The same was the situation with Speedmaster 60th, and turned out that even as of today one may find it sitting with OB and AD. So sold out is quite different from sold in.

The SS Apollo 11 50th Anniversary is as far as anyone is aware sold out, you cannot get one, all 6969 have been assigned to a dealer somewhere in the world, all Omega now have to do is deliver them. No doubt there will be a watch or two turn up in a dealers window unsold as the person who had initially asked for the watch has declined it for what ever reason and the dealer doesn't have a next in line waiting. That always happens and one of us who hasn't been able to order a 50th may just happen to be in the right place at the right time to get the watch.

On the issue of the SS 321 no-one knows what the specification will be, will it be a new version of the 'Ed White' or a new watch powered by the 321 movement and using modern materials, ceramics etc., we will have to wait and see. The 321 Platinum will sell, but only to a few who can afford the likely 50k+ price tag, it doesn't need to be limited, the price itself is what will cause the limit. I see the well healed watch enthusiast or someone who just has a lot of money placing their order for the Platinum watch and then taking delivery a few months down the road.

In many respects the SS 321 will probably go the same way, you go to the dealers, you place your order, including deposit and then sit back and wait.............

I hope that the price is reasonable, below 7500, but those more experienced in these matter believe that the price will be much much higher.

The only thing certain in all of this is that Omega know, and for the moment, they aren't telling. 😀

Waxtactic · Jul 25, 2019

I think it looks nice, in all honesty better than I expected, but I'll have blown on my money on other watches by then 🙄

rominvicta · Jul 25, 2019

Martin_J_N
The SS Apollo 11 50th Anniversary is as far as anyone is aware sold out, you cannot get one, all 6969 have been assigned to a dealer somewhere in the world, all Omega now have to do is deliver them

That is actually “sold in”, whether it will come to be sold out it is yet to be seen. How may anyone claim all 6969 were sold to customers, I am not aware at all. IMHO that is assumption based on personal appreciation of the model.

Speedmaster Moonwatch 321 Platinum

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queriver

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Newatch321

YY77

Evitzee

Martin_J_N

greyfox422

cfracing

tzachi

Newatch321

EricCsN

rominvicta

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Evitzee

rominvicta

Canuck

EricCsN

Martin_J_N

Waxtactic

rominvicta

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