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  1. walker4952

    walker4952 Jul 7, 2020

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    F5ADBF87-A6F3-4FFB-912F-5504762193EF.jpeg Morning, I have just taken possession of my father’s Speedmaster and I’m trying to pin down the exact model and year. I’m hoping for some help as I’m getting confused! The watch was bought by my Dad whilst he was serving in the RAF in Germany and he believes it was 1969. The watch is a pre professional but has crown protectors. It also has the T marks either side of the Swiss made lettering. I’ll attach some photos to assist. The bezel is missing and there’s damage from a drop to the stopwatch controls. Any assistance greatly received!
     
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  2. walker4952

    walker4952 Jul 7, 2020

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  3. Spacefruit

    Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Jul 7, 2020

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    Well its an assembly, albeit a possibly quite valuable one - well the dial is.

    It is a 105.003 dial, highly sought after, and an asymmetric case - and who knows what movement is inside, lets hope its a 321 otherwise that valuable dial might have suffered some minor damage, as its not designed for an 861 movement.

    Getting it back to any sort of correct condition will require a lot of parts, and that is after you decide what you actually have. It could be a 69 case and movement with the wrong dial, or a 65 dial and movement in the wrong case.

    Either way, if it were me, I would find a bezel, service it and not change anything, keep the history.

    Next step is to see the movement, the number and the inner case back.
     
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  4. walker4952

    walker4952 Jul 7, 2020

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    Thanks for the info. When you say it’s an assembly what does that mean? It was purchased new and my Dad hasn’t had any work done on it, even a service, so I assume this is how it came out of the factory?? Is that not likely the case?
     
  5. walker4952

    walker4952 Jul 7, 2020

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    I found the attached picture online and thought this looked the same?? 9DF7AD0C-572E-4BD4-BF7E-9DFE454627A8.jpeg
     
  6. killer67

    killer67 Jul 7, 2020

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    Left and right are 2 different watches - yours is a little bit of both
     
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  7. JimJupiter

    JimJupiter Jul 7, 2020

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    Try to open the watch and show us the inside of the caseback and the movement. Catalog pics and ads where often just illustrations of designer, not everything showing actual watches. But who knows ;)
     
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  8. JimJupiter

    JimJupiter Jul 7, 2020

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    But the right pics shows a professional without professional on the dial too ;)
     
  9. walker4952

    walker4952 Jul 7, 2020

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    That’s why I assumed it must be the right hand model. Crown protectors and no pro on the dial.
    In terms of opening the back, I’ve been reluctant as the red dot is in place and I’m no watch expert. Is it safe for me to open myself or should I take to a pro??
     
  10. killer67

    killer67 Jul 7, 2020

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    oh I saw 105.012 and made 3 line assumption. Good catch
     
  11. killer67

    killer67 Jul 7, 2020

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    Take it to a pro for sure
     
  12. JACK G

    JACK G Jul 7, 2020

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    I love a good mystery!

    If you are in the UK you need to contact Simon Freese - http://www.simonfreesewatchmakers.com/

    He knows everything about these watches and can sort out any problem you may have.

    Jack
     
  13. walker4952

    walker4952 Jul 7, 2020

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    Thanks I’ll get in contact.
     
  14. padders

    padders Jul 7, 2020

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    But no watch ever left the factory like that, as you say it was from a graphic designers imagination, that drawing is the only time that configuration has ever been seen and has been posted many times.

    As William notes, the OP watch has an Ed White dial, post 67 Pro caseback and pushers and who knows what internals. It received some major revisions at some point alright. Note the red dot is on the case and doesn’t mean the back hasn’t been off. In fact it rather suggests it has since there is none on the back.
     
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  15. walker4952

    walker4952 Jul 7, 2020

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    walker4952 Jul 7, 2020

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    Strange. Just checked with my father and he confirms he bought it brand new from the NAAFI shop on base and it’s never been in to a shop since! Off to an omega centre for further investigations!
     
  17. walker4952

    walker4952 Jul 7, 2020

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    Back from the Omega approved jeweller and the watch is on its way to Omega. Confirmed as a calibre 321. Picture to follow.
    What would you expect to see on the inside of the back cover?? 30F7CA00-71AC-44CC-9060-BAD1E2C5A12A.png
     
  18. JimJupiter

    JimJupiter Jul 7, 2020

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    What do you mean on its way to Omega? To do what? Number 1 rule here: Never send your vintage Omega to Omega (except its totally damaged or has service parts anyway)!!!

    The pic you posted is crap. Why dont you post both pics...caseback and movement. Smells fishy this way...
     
  19. AdamS

    AdamS Jul 7, 2020

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    You may want to seriously reconsider sending the watch to Omega. Most likely they will change parts that may destroy some of the value and/or the sentimental value.

    Much better to send this to a good independent watch maker that will give it a sympathetic vintage watch service. Those here can give you some good recommendations based on location.
     
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  20. walker4952

    walker4952 Jul 7, 2020

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    Not sure what you mean by looks fishy. The jeweller took the photo in the work shop I couldn’t go in due to COVID restrictions. He’s now sent me the full picture attached. 7A9BEBDD-F7ED-4898-94F0-8C61F90B470A.jpeg