Speedmaster 145.022 Questions

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Hi all,

Next week I will meet a person that is selling his 'forgotten' Speedmaster. He bought it second handed 27 years ago and had it stored in a drawer for 20 years. He had totally forgotten about the watch, but remembered he had it when he saw a modern Speedy at a shop. He even told me that his wife had almost thrown the watch away...

The watch looks unpolished and the lume has aged attractively. This is also the main reason I am interested in the watch. The condition of the dial is hard to assess, as the plexi has many scratches. The watch runs good, but obviously needs a service. The clasp of the bracelet broke down 20 years ago, which is also the reason he put the watch away. It also looks like the bracelet needs new springs.

I was wondering if I could get help on the following questions:
-My guess is that it is a 145.022 76: domed dial, short "S" Is my assessment correct?
-The seller thinks that the blue seal on the caseback gives the watch extra value. I doubt it makes much of a difference. What do you think?
-All visible parts look original to me. Is my assessment correct?
-What is the value of the bracelet?

And my final question: what is a reasonable price for the watch, given that it needs a service and a new plexi. I know it is hard to tell without better pictures of the watch and movement. However, the seller is meeting a specialist in vintage watches next Tuesday and I want to be informed well before entering in negotiations. Based on Speedmaster 101 assessment guide and price chart, I would assess the watch - assuming the movement is ok - between good and very good (i.e. $ 3,500 / € 3,085 - $ 4,500 / € 3,966 without bracelet).

Many thanks!


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Nice lume indeed. Hard to say anything about the dial of course...
Not necessarily a -78. The -78 was produced until 1982 approx. So more than 27 years...
Maybe a nice 145.0022... 😁
 
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Seems like a late 80’s/90’s ref from the dial and bracelet. Fits in with the date the seller mentioned.

I’d value the head only about the same as a -78 (perhaps a smidge lower) but the bracelet obviously adds value and condition appears good.
 
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Thank you for your comments. I asked the seller to send me a picture of the movement and inside of the case back once he brings the watch to the jeweller. The seller thinks he has a very rare piece, but I doubt it 😀.
 
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Almost every seller think he has a rare piece.
And almost every buyer think he doesn't 😀
 
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Very true 😉 But the seller thinks it is a very rare piece because of the blue seal on the case back, which I doubt.
 
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Looks like a 1450 bracelet. They are very sort after and expensive. Probably $1500+ on it’s own.
 
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I asked the seller to send me a picture of the movement and inside of the case back once he brings the watch to the jeweller.
Expect to see some nice gauges on the caseback once this watch gets into the hands of a "Jeweller" and he tries to open it... 😵‍💫

very rare piece because of the blue seal on the case back
It's not a rare piece. It's just another plain ol' Speedmaster Professional from the 80's that still has some of the blue/purple wax protector goo left inside the caseback center.
What it does have is the Red wax caseback seal (between the bottom lugs) which means that the caseback hasn't been opened before hence my comment above.
 
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Reads as a -74 or -76.

DNN with Short S dial ( I think hard to exactly say with that one picture.) Odd that the case is in good shape, but the hesalite is trashed. This raises flags and I want to see the movement and inner case back that is opened correctly. This watch is not sealed in my eyes and there should be no issue opening it to verify that it is all correct.

I have not evaluated the caseback, as I would go by inner engraving. It should state 145.022-74 or 145.022-76.


Bracelet needs better pictures, but appears to be a 1171/633 but one made later.
 
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Agree that this appears to be an 80s Speedmaster with a 1450 bracelet.
 
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Far more experienced members have already replied but I concur with the ones saying it's an 80s Speedy as it seems to match mine.

I'm actually wearing it today, but the wrist shots are old.



For comparison: Same dial with long S and long r. Same case back with short tail Q and narrow D, and seemingly the same bracelet. The Holy Grail really wears comfortably.

As a pricing, I paid CHF 5600 last year. At the time of purchase it equaled approx. €5280, now given the EUR weakness rather €5380. And it was last serviced in 2017. Take off the bracelet, I ended up paying €4000-4200 for the head, and I don't think I've overpaid given the condition.
 
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Looks like a 1450 bracelet. They are very sort after and expensive. Probably $1500+ on it’s own.
Not a 1450. For sure.
More likely a 1479...
 
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Not a 1450. For sure.
More likely a 1479...
That bracelet is not a 1479 either. The 1479 has notches on both sides of the center links. Here’s the original 1479 on my 1996 reference 3590.50.
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Very true 😉 But the seller thinks it is a very rare piece because of the blue seal on the case back, which I doubt.

Blue or red dot is Omega equivalent to Rolex hologram - its presence does not warrants any extra value. On the contrary - it means that watch wasn't serviced for decades. So yeah, it's a good start to bring up $750 service cost during negotiations 😀
 
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That bracelet is not a 1479 either. The 1479 has notches on both sides of the center links. Here’s the original 1479 on my 1996 reference 3590.50.

I agree doesn't appear to be 1479 bracelet mine looks the same as Gregs.
 
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Well, I think the answer as to the bracelet type is not too difficult. The profile of the links indeed resembles a 1450 and solid end links form another clue. Yet, look at the number of these links and the “length” of each. We’re looking at a 1447 / 805 here. Pretty rare.
 
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Well, I think the answer as to the bracelet type is not too difficult. The profile of the links indeed resembles a 1450 and solid end links form another clue. Yet, look at the number of these links and the “length” of each. We’re looking at a 1447 / 805 here. Pretty rare.
Good call. I agree. Just took a quick look at the U.S. eBay site and there is currently only one 1447 listed for sale - with an asking price of more than $2,600. 😲
 
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That bracelet is not a 1479 either. The 1479 has notches on both sides of the center links. Here’s the original 1479 on my 1996 reference 3590.50.
Exact, so a 1171...
 
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Exact, so a 1171...
Not an 1171. An 1171 would have a clasp with the Omega logo set inside a trapezoid.