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Speedmaster 125: why not more love?
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Lancaster
·Very true about the 'franken,' and not only that, no worry about fake parts. What a relief.
and here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/OMEGA-SPEE...767285&hash=item3b51a0301f:g:swsAAOSw-q5bYhg8,
and here: https://www.watchcompany.com/items/1383787/OMEGA-SPEEDMASTER-CHRONOGRAPH-CASE-Cal-1045-Ref-1760015.
These are all sold by the same guy, and never with any packaging (I have seen at least 2 more of these for sale on eBay for the same low price). I've seen and compared one of his 176.0014 cases with my original case and spot quite a few differences. It stretches the imagination to think that there'd be so many differences between different case makers' version of this watch. My first thought was similar to yours, thinking "why would they copy a case with lugs like this"? But when you think about it, it's much easier to make this style of lug than any other, especially shrouded lugs.
I know this seller will part with these for as little as $350, while the current Omega replacement is about $1000 and comes with a movement retaining ring, all tightly heat sealed in a thick plastic encasement. I've spoken to an Omega specializing watchmaker about this and found that he's bought a different model Omega case from this fellow plus some Flighmaster pushers. His opinion was that they weren't genuine and has returned them.
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M'Bob
·I wouldn't be so sure about that. Many similar "NOS" Speedmaster cases with the same lug design (not really lugs actually) have been for sale online for years and seem to be in endless supply. There's the 176.0014 and the 176.0015 offered here: https://www.trocadero.com/stores/wa...DMASTER-CHRONOGRAPH-CASE-Cal-1045-Ref-1760015,
and here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/OMEGA-SPEE...767285&hash=item3b51a0301f:g:swsAAOSw-q5bYhg8,
and here: https://www.watchcompany.com/items/1383787/OMEGA-SPEEDMASTER-CHRONOGRAPH-CASE-Cal-1045-Ref-1760015.
These are all sold by the same guy, and never with any packaging (I have seen at least 1 other offer these for sale on eBay and suspect they're not genuine either, for the same unrealistically low price). I've seen and compared one of his 176.0014 cases with my original case and spot quite a few differences. It's obvious when you see them side by side that his aren't genuine, as steadfastly as he claims that they are. My first thought was similar to yours, thinking "why would they copy a case with lugs like this"? But when you think about it, it's much easier to make this style of lug than any other, especially shrouded lugs.
I know this seller will part with these for as little as $350, while the current Omega replacement is about $1000 and comes with a movement retaining ring, all tightly heat sealed in a thick plastic encasement. I've spoken to an Omega specializing watchmaker about this and found that he's actually bought 3 different model Omega cases from this fellow plus some flighmaster pushers. He found them all to be clearly fake (to his trained eye) and has returned them.
I’m going to let @Andy K weigh in on this, as he’s the expert.
It was my understanding that these were legitimate replacement cases, but I can’t say with any authority. Seems odd that someone would go to the trouble to tool up and fake a case for a watch that’s not that expensive and has a limited following, but again, happy to be proven incorrect.
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Lancaster
·One day I'll get my photos and measurements together and do a 176.0014 case comparo.
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Alex Cheers
·Spreading some 125 love 😁
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cvalue13
·No way a 125/cal.1041 fits in a regular Speedy pro case, right?
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UWG
·Mine says hello!
I own this one for about 6 years and I love it. It is chunky, but absolutely well balanced. It is wearable, comfortable at the wrist, iconic, an everlasting beauty and still payable. Hey, its a Speedy and worn in space, absolute Omega!
For me, as a guy who was born in 1966 an grew up with all that luscious 70s design, it is a must-have-watch.
I own this one for about 6 years and I love it. It is chunky, but absolutely well balanced. It is wearable, comfortable at the wrist, iconic, an everlasting beauty and still payable. Hey, its a Speedy and worn in space, absolute Omega!
For me, as a guy who was born in 1966 an grew up with all that luscious 70s design, it is a must-have-watch.
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M'Bob
·Mine says hello!
I own this one for about 6 years and I love it. It is chunky, but absolutely well balanced. It is wearable, comfortable at the wrist, iconic, an everlasting beauty and still payable. Hey, its a Speedy and worn in space, absolute Omega!
For me, as a guy who was born in 1966 an grew up with all that luscious 70s design, it is a must-have-watch.
Nicely put!
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Alex Cheers
·No way a 125/cal.1041 fits in a regular Speedy pro case, right?
Not sure what your idea is here?? 😀
Mine says hello!
I own this one for about 6 years and I love it. It is chunky, but absolutely well balanced. It is wearable, comfortable at the wrist, iconic, an everlasting beauty and still payable. Hey, its a Speedy and worn in space, absolute Omega!
For me, as a guy who was born in 1966 an grew up with all that luscious 70s design, it is a must-have-watch.
Very nice one! Couldn't also agree more 😀
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cvalue13
·Not sure what your idea is here?? 😀
the 125 dial/movement but in a speedy pro case!
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Alex Cheers
·the 125 dial/movement but in a speedy pro case!
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cvalue13
·Ok understood 😁 well, I have no clue of course but the additional applied "OMEGA" and "125" would work great I think in that case 😉 Not so sure about the date though.
yes, I assume the 1041 cannot mate to the speedy pro case, but it sure would be an interesting mod
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Andy K
·A 1040/1041 in a moonwatch case, which I am pretty certain never existed, would be my ultimate grail.
I expended WAY too much time and energy about 6 years ago chasing down the possibility of its existence based on the fact that Chuck Maddox was told by the Omega Museum that it was a real thing. I came to the conclusion that Chuck’s contact was mistaken, but I would still love to be proven wrong.
I expended WAY too much time and energy about 6 years ago chasing down the possibility of its existence based on the fact that Chuck Maddox was told by the Omega Museum that it was a real thing. I came to the conclusion that Chuck’s contact was mistaken, but I would still love to be proven wrong.
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M'Bob
·yes, I assume the 1041 cannot mate to the speedy pro case, but it sure would be an interesting mod
A 1040/1041 in a moonwatch case, which I am pretty certain never existed, would be my ultimate grail.
I expended WAY too much time and energy about 6 years ago chasing down the possibility of its existence based on the fact that Chuck Maddox was told by the Omega Museum that it was a real thing. I came to the conclusion that Chuck’s contact was mistaken, but I would still love to be proven wrong.
What I find so interesting here is how grails can be so divergent - some in the hobby lust after pristine, untouched examples, and others (me included), also enjoy the idea of mixing and matching existing models to create something custom and unorthodox.
As a kid, I would love what George Barris and the other California car customizers did and always thought that there can be a real joy in making something unique.
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cvalue13
·the fact that Chuck Maddox was told by the Omega Museum that it was a real thing
I wonder…
As we’re all vaguely familiar, in 1972 Omega submitted to NASA three watches as candidates (against the Bulova insurrection) for re-approval/selection by NASA, and of course NASA chose the then ‘old standard’ speedy pro.
However, I recently pieced together that one of the three watches submitted was a cal.1045 predecessor to the FIFA.
Obviously, the case for the cal.1045 FIFA is surely not a speedy pro case. But, I would not be surprised to learn that the cal.1045 model (essentially a prototype) submitted to NASA was dial-branded a speedy pro of some sort.
Which is all background to say: it wouldn’t surprise me if at Omega museum there isn’t some understandable confusion around these watches, and various iterations what were *nearly* a cal.1040/1041 and *nearly* a ‘speedy pro’ case?
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omegaman
·The125 was very sought after about 15 years ago, cause the Omega Speedmaster guru of those days, Chuck Maddox, hyped it a lot: http://chronomaddox.com/speedmaster125.html
After he past away in 2008, the interest in the 125 dropped instantly. Nowadays, it is again in greater demand in the wake of the general rise in the Omega vintage watch market. Though it is not that rare, a lot more than the official 2000 had beend produced.
FMPOV, being honest, it is an ugly brick. Wanted one, got one, sold it again soon after. Never regretted. However, i totally understand the fascination that the unique 70ies look exerts on some watch lovers.
After he past away in 2008, the interest in the 125 dropped instantly. Nowadays, it is again in greater demand in the wake of the general rise in the Omega vintage watch market. Though it is not that rare, a lot more than the official 2000 had beend produced.
FMPOV, being honest, it is an ugly brick. Wanted one, got one, sold it again soon after. Never regretted. However, i totally understand the fascination that the unique 70ies look exerts on some watch lovers.
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johnireland
·In watches they call it "big," in people they call it "obese." Unless you are smuggling drugs inside it, there is no logical mechanical reason for it to be that large.
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Andy K
·In watches they call it "big," in people they call it "obese." Unless you are smuggling drugs inside it, there is no logical mechanical reason for it to be that large.
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