Something that has been bugging me for a few years now

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PS - the number of WUS-like threads here lately is getting disturbing...

Yes, it certainly is. The signal to noise meter is moving further towards the noise side than it's ever been. I had hoped all the former WUSsies would simply go to their new clubhouse started by the former WUS mods after WUS was sold to Vertical Scope. Next thing you know there will be zombie apocalypse and "I have $$$$ to spend - what should I buy?" discussions.
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At least there are no kickstarter/micro brand preorder requests.
 
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At least there are no kickstarter/micro brand preorder requests.

Thankfully!
 
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The US aircraft manufacturing industry was very vertically integrated in the past. Since the economic disaster of 2008, Textron, Bombardier, Boeing etc can't sub out work fast enough. They desire to do large component final assembly only ( buy a wing, buy a fuselage, buy a tail, bolt them together, custom make and interior and slap their logo on it). It appear the watch industry is going the other way (I am a methods engineer in the aircraft industry). Interesting.
 
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Yes, it certainly is. The signal to noise meter is moving further towards the noise side than it's ever been. I had hoped all the former WUSsies would simply go to their new clubhouse started by the former WUS mods after WUS was sold to Vertical Scope. Next thing you know there will be zombie apocalypse and "I have $$$$ to spend - what should I buy?" discussions.
What we might actually look at doing is having another forum topic that caters more to those WUS types of threads and questions that they can be moved to if it increases to the point where it becomes annoying. That way we can still have people field them in one place without any dilution of purpose overall.
 
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You guys, you guys, you guys!!!! You know your stuff, this has completely changed my understanding and perception. Rolex buying movements from Aegler SA in Bienne, only in 2004 they buy the who company. Did I read this correct? They market themselves as being totally in house standing head and shoulders above the others with JLC.
Agreed. This was an interesting post for me as well. Good thing we have you watch guru guys out there!
 
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Now the "in-house" discussion is happening here? I never thought I would see that...

Okay a couple of things that have already been pointed out maybe but I'll summarize:

1 - There is no fully agreed upon definition of what "in-house" means in the industry. This is a creation of marketing departments and enthusiasts on watch forums.

2 - Contrary to the OP's earlier assertion, being "in-house" is not how things used to be. In fact it was completely the opposite. Once again, this is a marketing tool used by brands to create false exclusivity in many cases.

And the most important one:

3 - Whatever it means, a movement being "in-house" or not has zero, and I mean absolutely zero, to do with how good or bad that movement performs.

In addition, most watch people seem to forget that there is a lot of DNA sharing within the industry. Just like old Ford employees might find a job at GM, people who work for company A leave and work for company B in the watch industry as well. Or in the case of the 8500 specifically, people who used to design watch movements for company R, now design watch movements for company O. Hence there is a lot of R DNA in the current line of O movements...

Cheers, Al

PS - the number of WUS-like threads here lately is getting disturbing...
We try our best Mr Archer
 
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I came on this forum to learn something. The thread was put up with the best of intentions. It obviously has upset some members. Perhaps if I want to learn about Omega, it is best to read only.
 
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I came on this forum to learn something. The thread was put up with the best of intentions. It obviously has upset some members. Perhaps if I want to learn about Omega, it is best to read only.
Many thanks to the members who have been supportive, helpful and not judgmental.
 
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Many thanks to the members who have been supportive, helpful and not judgmental.

I think ,opinions aside, this has been an interesting discussion. perhaps not a new discussion or extremely enlightening to those that are experts on the field, but for those of us that are somewhere in the middle, and for new people looking to learn, the reality of "in house" marketing tag lines as well as the value of in house movements versus sourced movements and some of the history behind Rolex, Omega Seiko and other brands mentioned is a good one to read through. I have learned something on this thread, that certainly makes it valuable to me.
 
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I came on this forum to learn something. The thread was put up with the best of intentions. It obviously has upset some members. Perhaps if I want to learn about Omega, it is best to read only.
I wouldn't worry too much its not you, its that in some other forums there are a lot of repetitive debates and fanboyism and repetitive questions that have been answered many times and this in house argument seems to come up time after time as something for guys to fight over.

We've always tried to steer away from that, but this is probably the first significant thread on this particular topic here. From this point forward if we have further questions about the whole in-house debate what I'll do is merge that new thread into the end of this one so it stays in one place rather than it having to be rehashed all the time.

You haven't done anything wrong guys that have been on watch forums a long time have just seen it repeated a lot hence their suggestions.

As we go along we'll have to endeavour to cater both to the new guys who haven't seen that over and over as well as the more experienced guys who have seen it all, catering to both is a challenge we'll have to continue finding creative solutions to.
 
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Many thanks to the members who have been supportive, helpful and not judgmental.

Let's get one thing straight: what's new to you has been rehashed time & time again for veterans. Maybe a list of recurring threads that should be avoided needs to be added to the posting guide for n00bs. Water under the bridge now.
 
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Let's get one thing straight: what's new to you has been rehashed time & time again for veterans. Maybe a list of recurring threads that should be avoided needs to be added to the posting guide for n00bs. Water under the bridge now.
Dennis is basically saying what I said only translated into New Jersey 😁
 
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PS - the number of WUS-like threads here lately is getting disturbing...

Al,

Thank you for that summary.

But you didn't answer the question that has me really concerned -

Can I wear my Planet Ocean in the shower? ::rimshot::
 
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Let's get one thing straight: what's new to you has been rehashed time & time again for veterans. Maybe a list of recurring threads that should be avoided needs to be added to the posting guide for n00bs. Water under the bridge now.

The noobs comment was not polite, I did not deserve that
 
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I came on this forum to learn something. The thread was put up with the best of intentions. It obviously has upset some members. Perhaps if I want to learn about Omega, it is best to read only.

I think you are learning, just learning more than you might have bargained for with the questions you are asking. No one here has refused to answer your questions that I have seen. We might make the odd comment that doesn't agree with you, but that is the nature of this forum, and maybe reading a bit more of it will show you that, as well as allow you to learn more about omegas. Think of it as a win-win! 😀

Cheers, Al
 
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Dennis is basically saying what I said only translated into New Jersey 😁

Hey, I left out the colorful pejoratives! 😉
 
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I think you are learning, just learning more than you might have bargained for with the questions you are asking. No one here has refused to answer your questions that I have seen. We might make the odd comment that doesn't agree with you, but that is the nature of this forum, and maybe reading a bit more of it will show you that, as well as allow you to learn more about omegas. Think of it as a win-win!
I think you are learning, just learning more than you might have bargained for with the questions you are asking. No one here has refused to answer your questions that I have seen. We might make the odd comment that doesn't agree with you, but that is the nature of this forum, and maybe reading a bit more of it will show you that, as well as allow you to learn more about omegas. Think of it as a win-win! 😀

Cheers, Al

OK.