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Since my own carbon footprint is less than that of a Kalahari Bushman I can sit here on the moral high ground and watch those more opinionated than I slug it out with great amusement. Though lately its more like a kindergarten slap fight.

The carbon footprint for just buying the computer you typed the above on outweighed the Whole Kalahari tribes carbon footprint
 
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The carbon footprint for just buying the computer you typed the above on outweighed the Whole Kalahari tribes carbon footprint
Prove it.
Simple enough, just provide the exact numbers. Prove that any of the materials and manufacturing processes used were produced by anything other than natural renewable energy sources such as hydro electric power.
Also provide an exact figure on the CO2 output of the biofuels used by the Kalahari Bushmen in cooking their meals.
Even burning animal dung produces CO2.

It is a proven fact that the burning of biofuels in Asia and India has caused continuing and increasing loss of glacier ice and even impacted the Arctic ice sheets. That has been known since the 1960's when Airforce weather planes first observed the "Brown Asian Haze" as far north as the arctic ice cap.
Black Carbon particulate pollution does not simply go away when the affected ice melts. The particulates gather in surface pools and continue to asorb sunlight to produce melt water. That was proven around 2012.
Wildfires in Canada and Russia, which are no new thing since records of Siberian wildfires go back to the 13th century, are known to contribute to melting of the Greenland ice sheet.

Another example of the "climate scientists" getting their wires crossed was in blaming the Australian droughts and wildfires on higher temperatures. Its been proven that drought conditions in Australia was caused by unusually low SST in the Indian Ocean.
In California the Santa Anna winds, which are hot and dry, are actually caused by abnormally low temperature and arid air masses dropping to near sea level and becoming heated by compression. Something just about anyone who claimed to be a climate scientist would know, but which few seem to want to admit. The California wildfires are for the most part then caused by cold air rather than global warming.
Ice loss on some Antarctic islands has been found to be caused by similar effects, air heated by friction as it travels down mountain sides.
Much ice loss in the Himalayas and inland Antarctica was found to occur during temperatures far below zero. The process of sublimation caused by super cold arid air masses vaporizes ice without the ice first going through a liquid stage.
Far too few supposed climate scientists take these proven facts into account and "journalist" never do.
Sloppy hysterical reporting has been a continuing problem. I well remember when they were claiming a record high temperature at the North Pole, then having to admit they had mistaken the township of North Pole Alaska for the actual north pole.
 
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Yes, this is the exact uncertainty that oil companies and many governments have propagated.
That was a non answer. Perhaps because you continue to fail to grasp the situation.
You claimed that Oil Companies now recognize climate change. So are you in fact now claiming that they are obscuring the facts to promote belief in catastrophic climate change?
Since few governments have not signed off on the Paris Accord are they the "Many" you speak of?
 
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That was a non answer. Perhaps because you continue to fail to grasp the situation.
You claimed that Oil Companies now recognize climate change. So are you in fact now claiming that they are obscuring the facts to promote belief in catastrophic climate change?
Since few governments have not signed off on the Paris Accord are they the "Many" you speak of?

Read what I wrote again...

"Even oil companies (Shell for example) realized the dangers of man made climate change decades ago, until they had a change of tactics and started the sort of scientific uncertainty campaign "

As for who is not in the Paris accord, that is public record, there's no need to repeat it. Few countries will actually meet the targets, including my own unfortunately. Some actively call it a hoax, like your own.
 
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Love is in the air 😁

Dude, I keep telling you I'm not interested....

😉
 
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So anyway, about this solar at my place, next week I’m meeting with a different company see what they got to say.
 
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Does the option exist for you to place the panels on the ground rather than the roof?

have fun
kfw
 
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Read what I wrote again...

"Even oil companies (Shell for example) realized the dangers of man made climate change decades ago, until they had a change of tactics and started the sort of scientific uncertainty campaign "
My you are behind the times. The situation of recent years is practically the opposite of what you've stated.
The Oil companies found they could continue to sell oil regardless of their stated position, and have diversified into renewable energy to make even greater profits. The same people are profiting no matter what.

As for who is not in the Paris accord, that is public record, there's no need to repeat it. Few countries will actually meet the targets, including my own unfortunately. Some actively call it a hoax, like your own.
Whether you believe everything you read about climate change or not its obvious on the face of it that the Paris accord is an outright scam.
I can remember when the UN was lauding the Red Chinese for their reduction in greenhouse gases, until they found the Reds had been falsifying the data for more than a decade.
They lauded the Reds for canceling a number of coal fired power stations, then discovered these were canceled because they had far more coal power plants than those regions needed or could ever use. The actual consumption of coal increased.
Red China continues to enjoy literal immunity from responsibility for any of its actions. While The Germans have made themselves almost entirely dependent on Russian for their future energy needs. Not a wise move at all.
No need going into the upheaval in France over their gasoline prices.

England managed to meet its goals for awhile, only because their manufacturing sector collapsed. Not a good trade off.
 
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My you are behind the times. The situation of recent years is practically the opposite of what you've stated.
The Oil companies found they could continue to sell oil regardless of their stated position, and have diversified into renewable energy to make even greater profits. The same people are profiting no matter what.

Sure they are diversifying, because as I've stated, they know this isn't sustainable. But they are the primary funders of the groups that sow doubt on climate change science regardless. I've never said they wouldn't profit from all this - they will always find a way to profit, and in this case it's playing both sides.

Whether you believe everything you read about climate change or not its obvious on the face of it that the Paris accord is an outright scam.

It's an agreement willingly signed by the parties. But I don't think there's much point in arguing with you on this, so we can agree to disagree.
 
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It's an agreement willingly signed by the parties.
That sounds like a public defender trying to weasel his client out from under a fraudulent land deal.
they will always find a way to profit, and in this case it's playing both sides.
Now you are making my point for me.
 
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That sounds like a public defender trying to weasel his client out from under a fraudulent land deal.

Because it may sound like something similar, doesn't mean it is.

Now you are making my point for me.

I'm sure in the bubble you are in, this makes some sense.
 
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Does the option exist for you to place the panels on the ground rather than the roof?

have fun
kfw
Not at this location no but nice thought. I’m actually interested in the whole house solar generator for my own place but after looking at them I don’t think they are advanced enough to justify the price
 
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Watch out for those Telsa deals. It could end up costing more per month than less, and one might not live long enough to see any benefits except for Telsa.
 
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Watch out for those Telsa deals. It could end up costing more per month than less, and one might not live long enough to see any benefits except for Telsa.
They aren’t practical now but the home generators Tesla makes are cool in theory (I’m not sure Tesla still engages in deals with the public) but they were making that solar generator. I got hit with a tornado a few years back, trees all over, my neighbor lost their patio and porch, another house nearby condemned we were without power for a while. One way to guarantee we no longer have natural disasters like that would be for me to buy a generator. I got tired of using a crappy snowblower to dig myself out, bought a nice powerful new one two years ago I’ve only used it once, no big snow storms since I bought the damn thing. If I put in a new central air unit I may solve this global warming we hear so much about.
 
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Does the option exist for you to place the panels on the ground rather than the roof?

have fun
kfw
If you have trees in your lot that could pose a problem. You would not believe the damage a veritable rain of wind storm driven of walnuts from a 50+ foot walnut tree can do to a stack of storm windows and doors taken off during a remodel.
Luckily I'd only intended to reuse one of those storm windows.
That morning I was surveying the damage and felt lucky that window had only lost the lower pane, when a final walnut dropped shattering the upper pane.
 
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I paid 1 K USD to have two huge trees removed from my yard to avoid just that sort of outcome.
I had noticed a distinct lean of one Maple in the front yard that had it fallen would have smashed my Neighbors new Cadillac. On examining the stump I found it had rotted from the roots up.
I cut down six other large trees by myself. Managing to smash three fence panels when a thick tangle of vines caused one to swing to the side as it fell. Luckily I had an extra fence panel and salvaged enough wood from the smashed ones to make up the difference. Much better than it falling on my Neighbors storage buildings.
 
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I paid 1 K USD to have two huge trees removed from my yard to avoid just that sort of outcome.
I had noticed a distinct lean of one Maple in the front yard that had it fallen would have smashed my Neighbors new Cadillac. On examining the stump I found it had rotted from the roots up.
I cut down six other large trees by myself. Managing to smash three fence panels when a thick tangle of vines caused one to swing to the side as it fell. Luckily I had an extra fence panel and salvaged enough wood from the smashed ones to make up the difference. Much better than it falling on my Neighbors storage buildings.
Ya this is a home a few blocks from my job. Granted it was a very bad storm but the tree was at the very least top heavy and it looks like carpenter ants had got a hold of it.
 
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Google Project Sunroof.

Should provide some interesting information.

I looked at it here in Florida and found the payoff for my house would be 20yrs, assuming full efficiency of the panels. More realistically if I assume steady degradation of the panels, pay off is obviously worse.

Only thing that would make it useful is massive tax credits or grants.