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Google Project Sunroof.

Should provide some interesting information.

I looked at it here in Florida and found the payoff for my house would be 20yrs, assuming full efficiency of the panels. More realistically if I assume steady degradation of the panels, pay off is obviously worse.

Only thing that would make it useful is massive tax credits or grants.
that is interesting @Wryfox i would think I Florida with your sun the payoff would be quicker. Of course I don’t your energy use or usage I’ll guess your home isn’t all electric powered. There really is a lot to take in when considering this, tbh I find harnessing the power of the sun to be a cool idea. I won’t bother with environmental debates I think it’s both cyclical and man made. But I’ll go no further than that. Why bother, I can dig up articles supporting it or denying it. As I process everything you guys have said “ which I appreciate” I’m thinking 20-30 years is not a great lifespan and maybe the tech isn’t wear I’d like it to be before making the expenditure. That’s why I like to hear other people’s thoughts on the subject, I’m not dismissing it but I have a lot more questions to ask versus before posting this which is really all I was looking for.
 
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that is interesting @Wryfox i would think I Florida with your sun the payoff would be quicker. Of course I don’t your energy use or usage I’ll guess your home isn’t all electric powered. There really is a lot to take in when considering this, tbh I find harnessing the power of the sun to be a cool idea. I won’t bother with environmental debates I think it’s both cyclical and man made. But I’ll go no further than that. Why bother, I can dig up articles supporting it or denying it. As I process everything you guys have said “ which I appreciate” I’m thinking 20-30 years is not a great lifespan and maybe the tech isn’t wear I’d like it to be before making the expenditure. That’s why I like to hear other people’s thoughts on the subject, I’m not dismissing it but I have a lot more questions to ask versus before posting this which is really all I was looking for.

Whats nice about Google Project Sunroof is it takes the position of your house, angel of the roof(incidence angle to panels), area available for panels, and weather patterns/sun angle during the year, etc all sorts of cool stuff.

So yes, my house is all electric, but there are three very important things to consider that make quick payback difficult:
1) Electric is relatively cheap in Florida, better than most.

2) Energy efficient devices are common place now, and cheap...so the more I(all of us) upgrade to low energy devices, the harder payback will be. In the past 2yrs of upgrading, I've reduced electric bills by 45%, by nothing more than energy efficiency devices, such as LED bulbs in place of flouro or incandescent. 88% energy reduction, 10x longer life, just for lighting. And of course in Florida with the heat, every watt of energy saved(the majority being heat) is almost a corresponding watt of energy I don't have to remove with air conditioning. So a double benefit to energy savings.

3) Weather is not as nice as you might think for the Sunshine State. Yes, we have more direct sun angle in the south and lower angle roofs in general, but during the summer when the sun is brightest, with the high humidity clouds well up starting about 1:30 pm almost every day, with rain about 3-4pm. Its called the 'summer tropical weather pattern', so most days sun will only hit steadily in the morning. In the fall and spring when its drier, the sun angle is also lower so although more sun exposure, there is also less sun energy.

The best places for solar are west texas, nevada, new mexico, arizona, & socal. Southern, dry and sunny.

So bottom line, you will gain far more for the same cost of solar panels by investing in energy efficient devices and reducing power usage. You couldn't say that 10yrs ago, but I believe its true today for most warmer areas in the US.
 
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Long ago I considered placing a rack of black painted tubing on my roof to preheat water on its way to the water heater.
To reduce chances of damaging the roof surface I figured a hinged rack that draped over the ridge of the roof and only secured at the edge of the roof.
If plastic tubing were used it would have the added advantage of acting as a fire suppression system.
A truck garage nearby burned one night many years ago. Exploding barrels of lacquer and thinner on several of the burning trucks rained flaming debris on a number of roof tops including my own. The roof was badly damaged before the fire dept finally gave up on saving the garage and began hosing down the rooftops.
 
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Maybe the future.... Just get a solar roof instead of panels...
 
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@Wryfox +1 on the energy efficiency. Some people are surprised that major utilities such as the Bonneville Power Administration have an energy efficiency program that provides inducements for switching to more efficient power consuming products. Reducing demand is much cheaper than increasing supply and can accomplish similar results.

As with many decisions, as you noted there are multiple factors that influence the result. Happily more people are thinking of solar as a normal option and not a wierd fringe decision. As with any technology, solar is becoming cheaper. An anecdotal story is the day I decided to order my panels the manufacturer had released panels that had more power from smaller panels so I ended up with a larger system. This increase in efficiency and cost will continue as long as there is a demand and support. It is possible that what may not be affordable today may become affordable in six months or more.

Your solar roof is a great example of the changing manufacturing environment. It's an industry that can help the economy in many ways, regardless of how any of us think about the climate.
 
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Maybe the future.... Just get a solar roof instead of panels...
I was talking to my neighbor about these as he was looking into them. I think this goes back a year and at that time his research told him these are not manufactured that great as of yet but Tesla (formerly solar city) are working on it, like I said it was a minimum of a year ago, with technology a year is a long time. What I like about musks solar products such as that solar generator I looked into is he explained the faults in them. Not discouraging purchase he was just explaining where things are at now versus where he wants them to be. I find that refreshing. I’m not saying he does that with all his products the fact it’s done at all I like. Anyway I can see solar shingles/roofs being the future. Seems to make more sense. I’m sure 100 downsides can be mentioned but the progress is pretty cool in general. And as you mentioned I did install several energy efficient utilities including an efficient heat pump that heats, cools and dehumidifies at about 40% of what the straight electric does. So I agree these are all smart moves