Italian M91 Carcano

 

Nico, it appears to be a M91/30 Mosin Nagant chambered in 7.62x54r. There are some subtle differences I note though. It will be interesting to see what others think.

 

Yep. Better answer than mine.

 

Ok, thanks! Isn't it interesting it was found in German woods, or was it normal between the axis partners to share rifles?

Edit: I just read, that Germany got like 1.2 mil Carcano's from Italian soldiers, after they surrenderd to the US. The Carcano thereby often was used at the Ostfront, so its not unlikely to find them around Berlin. Interesting!

 

Carcanos were cheap surplus after the war. Cheaper than the much finer K98s. Or could have come to Germany during the war, sure, for a variety of reasons. Most likely after the war, though. I'm not surprised at all you found one.

 

see my Edit above. After the war would have been complicated, since Brandenburg, the area around Berlin and where the rifle was found, was part of the soviet zone. But thanks for your insights.

Does anyone think this example is salvageable as deko piece?

 

From Wikipedia:

"German forces captured large quantities of Carcanos after Italy's capitulation in September 1943. It was the most commonly issued rifle to the German Volkssturm ("People's Militia") units in late 1944 and 1945.[9]"

That sounds more reasonable to me, cause like I said, for sure there was no "import" of Italian weapons to the GDR after the war and hunting near the inner german boarder was everything but clever

I will try to get my hands on the rifle and see what I can find out with their markings.

Nico

 

Hm, I dont want to spam this sub forum, but why do you think its not the Steyr M95?



especially the magazine well is unique and looks the same as the found weapon (and different to the Italian one).

 

It is a Steyr.

I had one for some years.

The Steyr 95 was pressed into service as late as World War II.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mannlicher_M1895

 

Mag well and the length of the wooden stock vs. barrel look like a Steyr to me, esp mag well. Also, bolt appears to be straight like a Moisin or Steyr, most Carcanos I've seen don't have a straight bolt (but I'm really not super familiar with that rifle---- EDIT: looks like the M91 mostly has a straight bolt). No slit in the stock for the sling I'd expect on a Moisin. And the round bolt going through the stock just rear of the trigger housing is fairly distinct.

It's a rusted up, beat piece of junk- fun to look at and speculate!

ON A SIDE NOTE- thank you all for sharing these images of vintage bolt rifles/making me google them as a result of this speculating. These are just beautiful to look at.

 

I imagine that many of you will have read that Gaston Glock died on 27 December aged 94.

Today’s Times carries an obituary.

 

I had heard of that on firearms forums.

I have a single Glock. I never really warmed to the design. It must be admitted that Gaston Glock's inspiration was wildly successful.

Still I've got Glock swag. A kind friend who is big in Austrian firearms collecting circles provided me with a neato sign a few years ago when we were there for a visit. Photo taken in the lane in front of his house in Altmunster.

 

Our own @Duracuir1 posted it here shortly after his passing occurred.

 

A handy guide to clear up any confusion regarding Glock models....

 

200 pages!

I just found this thread.

Guns..., my 2nd most expensive hobby!

 

So, you're dually afflicted with hobbies. Might as well tell us about it.

 

Finally feeling better after Covid killed my Peru holiday. Will make an appointment at the gun shop this week. Hobbies…Yea Just bought streaming gear and the new Yamaha CD Carousel (just because)…I need more hobbies….Hoping for some modicum of restraint in this one.

 

Pics or it didn't happen....

 

I picked up a belt buckle that brought back childhood memories. My dad had a pump action Ithaca shotgun. The fore end was ribbed. I thought it looked so cool. Our house was connected to the police station (my dad was in charge) and the Ithaca hung on that connecting hallway wall.

Not a gun, but I know just the guy who can make a nice belt for that buckle. Pictured is another buckle that came with the Ithaca.

 

Seeing double? Yep

These are the same revolvers. I bought one at a flea market about 10 yrs ago, the other one just the other day.

Surprise! They are both fully functioning replicas. Of what? Can you guess? (I give a huge hint in noelekal's next post..)