SMP Great White GMT - A few observations

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Ok have now finally got round to taking some comparison pics. These shots below show the Great white side by side with both a 2255 and 2265 SMP. I have used both 3 hand SMP flavours since they are slightly different in thickness, contrary to what many may assume. It isn't all that apparent from these shots but the quartz SMP is about 0.5mm thinner still than the 1120 Auto model (seemingly all in the caseback), which is already very thin vs competitors and later models such as those powered by the 2500. The GMT is noticeably thicker than both. These are all flat on the surface from shot 2 onwards.

LHS Great White GMT, Middle 2255 SMP Auto, RHS 2265 SMP Quartz:

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Excellent pictures!! The difference between 1120 and quartz is fairly subtle. But the gmt is significant thicker than the other 2... I like how thin the 1120 is, and will probably pass on the GMT although the dial looks awesome. Thanks again!!
 
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Nice personal review! The GW was my first 300M model, and I was really excited to find one in good condition locally. This has since piqued my interest and led me to purchase a couple of other 300M pieces (love the Sword hands!). Now, on the hunt for a Gerry Lopez version...

Where did you get the blue bezel on the middle one (2265.80?) I like it! Makes the watch look “bigger” than the oem bezel.
 
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I recently picked up a Great White SMP GMT PIC 2538.20 as it is one of the few SMP variants I haven't tried and I have always been intrigued by the dial. The quirkiness of the GW has always appealed to me in that it has a bespoke dial and bezel and possibly case, different in dimensions and finish to all other SMP models, including perhaps surprisingly the black dial GMT. It is hard to think it was worth the expense of tooling it up as they aren't exactly commonly seen vs the 2351 and 2254. It was launched in 2002, 4 years after the black dial version, perhaps to stimulate flagging sales of that iteration or perhaps SMP sales overall but they are seldom seen in the wild so it possibly wasn't a hugely successful plan if so.

I have been on the look out for the right one for a few years, I love the basic SMP design, especially the sword hands versions. In addition to several 3 hand SMPs, I previously owned the Black 50th Anniv GMT SMP and also, usefully for comparison, a black dial 40mm Rolex Exp-II too which is obviously a close competitor. Neither are still with me but between those two I preferred the Omega GMT interpretation overall, the lume on the Rolex was very poor and the plain gloss dial lacked character. I wonder if I would think the same with this vs a Polar EXP-II, quite probably.

Here it is, fresh from a full overhaul at STS who never fail to do a tidy job: it looks and feels brand new The cost of the service was eye wateringly expensive as the bezel and crystal were replaced but this does have the advantage that it is now truly mint. The fully brushed finish is very very impressive in the flesh. It is a trick Omega repeated with the Speedy Tuesday 1 and really adds to the tool watch aesthetic, though ironically a fully polished finish would be easier to maintain as a wipe with a Cape Cod can sort most things on a polished finish, not so here. The titanium models have a similar matt look and it does suit the sword hands (Blake) dial well. I don't think this finish would work at all well with the Bond dial though as that is a much blingier design.

On a very crip frosty morning:



Margo looks pretty unimpressed by it though:


One thing I hadn't figured before I got this is that the lume compound used on the GW isn't the same as that used on the other sword hands variants like the 2254 or 2255. Those, presumably using C3 or C5, look to a greater or lesser extent yellow-green or pale green under most conditions. Presumably for reasons of aesthetics, the GW seems to use a much whiter compound, C1 perhaps? It's a subtle thing but it does mean that the GW looks very different to the others in daylight, they both still glow green at night though.

Here is a side by side with a 2265 for comparison. Note how unbalanced the He valve makes the 3 hander look vs the GMT case, they really should have ditched that for all the Sword hands releases, imagine how good a 2254 would look sans wart:



Just a titanium one to try and that is pretty much the full SMP set done.

Nice writeup! I may be the exception but do like the HE valve on my Bond GMT and titanium SMP’s:



The great white was on my radar for a long time (had the 50th anniversary version) but the fact it is thicker than the 50th made me choose the 2235.80 Bond GMT, which checks all the boxes for me: coaxial, wave dial, divers unidirectional bezel, HE valve, GMT hand and sapphire caseback 😀
 
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What a great write up. Thank you for the time and effort. I have always like the GW and have been wanting a GMT for some time now. Time to start looking in earnest.
 
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Nice writeup! I may be the exception but do like the HE valve on my Bond GMT and titanium SMP’s:



The great white was on my radar for a long time (had the 50th anniversary version) but the fact it is thicker than the 50th made me choose the 2235.80 Bond GMT, which checks all the boxes for me: coaxial, wave dial, divers unidirectional bezel, HE valve, GMT hand and sapphire caseback 😀
I still have a hankering for a titanium SMP so I thank you for posting that. While I made a big deal earlier about the GW having different dimensions that the black dial GMT 50th Anni, while I haven't measured it, I doubt that the depth difference is all that much, maybe 0.2mm at a guess so not significant vs the difference between both GMTs and the 1120 models. Bearing in mind the 2500 movement 3 handers are already deeper than the 1120s, I would hazard a guess that a GW may be the same thickness or even thinner than a later Co-ax GMT for this reason alone, plus the sapphire back adds further depth. Get your callipers out and we can compare!
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I still have a hankering for a titanium SMP so I thank you for posting that. While I made a big deal earlier about the GW having different dimensions that the black dial GMT 50th Anni, while I haven't measured it, I doubt that the depth difference is all that much, maybe 0.2mm at a guess so not significant vs the difference between both GMTs and the 1120 models. Bearing in mind the 2500 movement 3 handers are already deeper than the 1120s, I would hazard a guess that a GW may be the same thickness or even thinner than a later Co-ax GMT for this reason alone, plus the sapphire back adds further depth. Get your callipers out and we can compare!

I am curious as well... being a person of smallish wrists, I consider these things. One of the attributes I love about my 2254.50 is the relative thinness.
 
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Thanks for this review Padders. I'm out in Marbella at the moment and happened to see a GW in a pawnbrokers type shop and instantly fell in love with the thing. Is the first time I've seen one in the metal and I never realised how georgeuos they are.

Can't stop thinking about it now. I think the price is OK, probably a little high with no box and papers but being on holiday I get a far easier pass to make such a purchase than I do back on home soil. Very tempted to try to negotiate the price down a bit.

Either way your opinion here and comparison pics have been a great help. Never realised the case was thicker and that actually suits me as I find the quartz Seamaster at least wears a little flat for my taste(I quite like a thick case as for my taste on a slim flat wrist they tend to wear better).
 
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That’s sharp! Great pick up. I have the black but this white one looks fantastic!
 
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Eveyone's gone SMP crazy. Here's my 'one' watch SMP collection as of today... live by the sword!

SMPc with milsub hands from a 165.024, 2231.50 Ti with black dial swapped for electric blue, 2895.50 Apnea, 2230.50 NON-AC, 2254.50 with NON-AC dial, 2534.50 on OEM rubber.
 
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Do you store them crown out for any particular reason or is it just a coincidence in the photo @jets?
 
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Eveyone's gone SMP crazy. Here's my 'one' watch SMP collection as of today... live by the sword!

SMPc with milsub hands from a 165.024, 2231.50 Ti with black dial swapped for electric blue, 2895.50 Apnea, 2230.50 NON-AC, 2254.50 with NON-AC dial, 2534.50 on OEM rubber.

I'm not sure what's more impressive – the sword mod on the far left or the second hand coordination...
 
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I'm not sure what's more impressive – the sword mod on the far left or the second hand coordination...

Nope, it's the second hand coordination.
 
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...Bearing in mind the 2500 movement 3 handers are already deeper than the 1120s...

That's interesting. I thought that the height increase only came with the ceramic bezel, not the change in movement. How much are we talking about here? Loved my aluminium bezelled 2500 SMP 😀
 
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That's interesting. I thought that the height increase only came with the ceramic bezel, not the change in movement. How much are we talking about here? Loved my aluminium bezelled 2500 SMP 😀
I have tried to find you exact figures for the 2220.80 but can’t as yet (and don’t have one to measure) but have found several threads confirming my own experience that the first 2500 models added about 1mm over the 11.5mm thick 1120 models. I think the ceramic bezel added a further mm again. The caseback used on the 2220 had deeper relief design so may have in itself added thickness.
 
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Do you store them crown out for any particular reason or is it just a coincidence in the photo @jets?

I hacked them all to take the photo.
 
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I have tried to find you exact figures for the 2220.80 but can’t as yet (and don’t have one to measure) but have found several threads confirming my own experience that the first 2500 models added about 1mm over the 11.5mm thick 1120 models. I think the ceramic bezel added a further mm again. The caseback used on the 2220 had deeper relief design so may have in itself added thickness.

Sounds right
 
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I have tried to find you exact figures for the 2220.80 but can’t as yet (and don’t have one to measure) but have found several threads confirming my own experience that the first 2500 models added about 1mm over the 11.5mm thick 1120 models. I think the ceramic bezel added a further mm again. The caseback used on the 2220 had deeper relief design so may have in itself added thickness.

Do you think that the added mm is in case or bezel height? Or a combination? The ceramic one, obviously, has a taller bezel which doesn't do it any favours.

I bought mine five years ago in unworn condition (was shocked to see how great the condition was!) and sold it on two years later with a small loss. Today I can't match neither price nor condition in the market 🙁
 
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Do you think that the added mm is in case or bezel height? Or a combination? The ceramic one, obviously, has a taller bezel which doesn't do it any favours.

I bought mine five years ago in unworn condition (was shocked to see how great the condition was!) and sold it on two years later with a small loss. Today I can't match neither price nor condition in the market 🙁
I am not aware that the steel/Alu bezel on the 2220 is any different to that on the 2531 so if the watch is indeed thicker that would suggest any difference is in the mid case and/or caseback. The bezel on the GMT and chrono models is definitely thicker though so I may be wrong on this.

EDIT, the 2220 and 2531 bezels look the same but have a different part number so could indeed have different dimensions, sorry for the dodgy info above! Based on an image search, if it is deeper it is nowhere near as deep as the Great White bezel, indeed it looks just like the 2531 from the side too.
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First time I've made such a purchase on holiday, but I'm thrilled! My god I love this watch.

 
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You have a true one of a kind there. The GW had the Speedy style 1610 bracelet from the factory (though in fully brushed mode its known as the 1611/931). On that one someone has fitted the Bond style 1503/825. I can't tell if it has been custom brushed.