Well then you should know about ad hominem fallacies.
Great, another person who doesn’t care about ethics...
Like I said, some people lack ethics and don't "understand" what that is and how it's practiced.
Well, we know that the second part is true based on what people in this thread and others said salespeople at the OBs are telling customers. The first part remains to be seen but we'll find out soon enough. Basically, a watch company with these price points, producing a million watches a year, shouldn't be short of anything other than what they are deliberately holding back.
Well then you should know about ad hominem fallacies.
Well, we know that the second part is true based on what people in this thread and others said salespeople at the OBs are telling customers. The first part remains to be seen but we'll find out soon enough. Basically, a watch company with these price points, producing a million watches a year, shouldn't be short of anything other than what they are deliberately holding back.
$100K spend at Omega is easily doable. I think most people on here are thinking about a speedy or a basic seamaster. Omega makes alot of models in precious metals and diamonds. They sell alot of these in the asian and middle east markets. Precious metals get you 30K+, once you add the diamonds and jewels you are easily over 50K+. On top of these they have the platinum 321 as someone mentioned but also the tourbillons which are over 150K a piece.
As for the snoopy, I am not sure any OB has solid knowledge of production numbers unless it is an actual LE. Omega is about volume and making sales so I don't see them trying to artificially limiting anything unless there is a real production capacity issue.
can they really afford to blow that goodwill by screwing an existing and potential customer base?
They are not sold out the entire run. I have from a reliable source that once the first backlog is worked out there will be another couple of goes.
1 they didn’t want to extend lists over 12 months because some countries have full deposits. Some don’t.
2 they have never had a Rolex buy other watches to get what you want.
3 A 20 year old in Sydney got a watch without any buying history but was one of the first on the list once announced
4 the 3861 is in full production now as it’s in the new Speedmaster. They will make a lot more than 2000 Snoopy watches a year
Just keep letting your boutique know your interested in one.
T TexexNot sure if I am in the right thread but... I stopped by my OB today to have a link taken out of my wifes Seamaster and I asked about the Apollo 13 50th where I am 22nd on the list. The manager had some interesting things to say and I'll like to hear if you guys are hearing the same. First he said that my place in line is not a "Firm 22nd". If someone who is on the list below me has a better spend history they will skip me in line. He also said that anyone who has a deposit in will get one guaranteed and that almost everyone who does not have a deposit will not get one. Omega has told OBs that they will only make 5000 in the next 2 years and only 1200 will come to the US and ALL of those are already spoken for with a deposit. After that the will trickle out for big spenders only. He said the issue with the 45th limited edition was that some big spenders did not get one and they make a huge stink about it. Guys that spend 100K a year just on Omega (no idea how one could do this). So Omega decided that they will make this one a Limited Production so they can make very few to make it exclusive like the 45th but then make a few more on the back end to satisfy the big hitters. So basically limited like the last one but with the option to make a few more later on to keep the big spenders happy. He also said that all 1200 should be in the US by end of year so anyone with a deposit should have their watch by December 2021. He also said other than 1 or 2 huge ADs in NYC and LA, only OBs will ever get the watch, none for normal ADs. He also said that no sales associate has been paid commission and that Omega according to Swiss laws is not able to invest the deposits or even get interest on the money. Omega was not able to access the money until a sale is made. Finally I brought up that Omega might have chosen to not make this one limited edition so they can sell a ton. He said that I need to think bigger picture and that their goal is not to sell a ton of one watch but to be the hot talked about watch which would be fantastic marketing. A high tide raises all (Omega watches) buoys. He added that Omega could loose money on this watch (they won't) and it would still be a huge win for them with the publicity. He then politely offered to promptly give me my money back (I didn't ask for it) if I was unhappy with the process which I declined. Any of this sound familiar? Who know how much of it is accurate and how much is OB BS. Thoughts?
So you have just admitted that your entire tirade on ethics, and attacks on other members based on that, is not based on any evidence.
I get that there's some value in limiting supply and so not maxing out the cachet of a halo product, but Omega has done very well with its policy of offering products that people want to buy and can buy -- can they really afford to blow that goodwill by screwing an existing and potential customer base?
Your practical/supply facets are all interesting and surely at play.
But I wouldn’t want to so quickly just pass over the notion that it is not ok for Omega to limit production intentionally.
Bronze sculptors could offer infinite casts, but they don’t not just because of foundry/practical limitations but also because scarcity relates to desirability (and so value). Have you ever seen a bronze sculpture and thought, “those unethical sculptors, how could they screw the goodwill of their admirers by not offering one to everybody”?
I can think of few “collectible” commodities where one should expect that having the $ to purchase the item bestows any right to purchase the item.
Omega shouldn’t really be faulted for having many, overlapping, reasons for not meeting all demand for all models.
I was in an OB today and spoke to the manager about the Snoopy.
First off, she actually had one in the store. She said that Omega had sent it with instructions that it was not to be displayed or sold. Only those that had put down a deposit on the Snoopy would be able to see the sample.
They could have played the same game as Rolex but they didn't.
The only evidence I need and everyone else can see as well is the lack of supply when it's not a limited edition watch and their OBs telling potential customs to get lost and don't bother to get in line.
Not happy at all to see demand vastly exceeding supply. It would just make it needlessly more expensive to get from grey and frustrating not to get brand new along with the nice experience of getting. from omega boutiques
I'm an ER Doc and have been a little busy for the past few months. I live in an area with no local boutique or even an authorized dealer. I called Omega directly a few months ago when the 50th Snoopy was announced and was told to subscribe to the online mailing list to receive updates when the watch became available. Unfortunately for me, I failed to get in line at any of the boutiques as the couple that I called were reserving spots on the waiting list only for their "preferred customers"...
Well, now it's the end of a horrible year in medicine, and I wanted to take my year end bonus and buy a Silver Snoopy... only to find they are now sold out and not taking any orders. I missed the window on the 45th Snoopy and now it looks like my only hope of obtaining a 50th is on the flipper market. As an Omega fan, and Speedmaster owner of many years I am disillusioned, disappointed, and disheartened at how this was handled for a non-LE model.
Any advice on how to obtain this watch at a reasonable price would be appreciated. I love Omega, and am a big fan of the history of the space program, so for me the Silver Snoopy ticks all the boxes. But if it means paying $20,000+ to wear one, I'll say no thank you to Omega and take my money to Jaeger-Lecoultre or a pre-owned A. Lange...
There are lots of watches I admire and would like to own, but I thought the Silver Snoopy would be one I could reasonably obtain...
Yes, I know all about supply and demand... I took economics once during the 11+ years of college I attended. I didn't need that snide lecture from the 26 year-old who answered the phone at the OB who asked what I expected with the "most in demand watch in the world"... Still, if an Omega fan with the ability to write a check for this watch can't reasonably obtain one, what does this say about Omega and how much or little they value those of us who aren't on their "preferred customer" list with a boutique?
Thanks for letting me rant... I've lurked here for many years and regret that this is my first post... Thanks for letting me rant.
Aaron
It could be worse. You might have parted with $10000, waited 6 months only to see the snoopy be sold to “connected” special clients rather, than to the average Joe’s that gave a deposit only to be snubbed after months. Omega wants to be Rolex so badly treating consumers seems to be their approach.
