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they could put an immediate stop to this by, at point of deposit or adding a name to the elusive in-store list, explain that the acceptance of the order is subject to the buyer not disposing of the watch for a period of 6, 12 or whatever months and that if he/she wishes to dispose of/sell in advance of this agreed period then the original supplying AD must be made aware to give approval.

But they don’t do this, for a reason.

It’s not as though the avenues to stop hype are lost on the corporation.
 
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The manufacturers fuel the fire by not policing the aftermarket of flippers, they could put an immediate stop to this by, at point of deposit or adding a name to the elusive in-store list, explain that the acceptance of the order is subject to the buyer not disposing of the watch for a period of 6, 12 or whatever months and that if he/she wishes to dispose of/sell in advance of this agreed period then the original supplying AD must be made aware to give approval. Quite simply, if you are a genuine collector you will sign if you are a flipper you won't, hence, no watch!

This exact procedure exists and is successful when you order a particular make and model of car, so in theory Omega, Rolex, Patek, etc should take note.

How would they police it. And how would they know.

You can’t stop flippers.

Sounds good but......

And people have done it with cars. Made the $$s then get banned from the next model and they get a friend or relative. It’s been a work around by many in the car world.
 
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The manufacturers fuel the fire by not policing the aftermarket of flippers, they could put an immediate stop to this by, at point of deposit or adding a name to the elusive in-store list, explain that the acceptance of the order is subject to the buyer not disposing of the watch for a period of 6, 12 or whatever months and that if he/she wishes to dispose of/sell in advance of this agreed period then the original supplying AD must be made aware to give approval. Quite simply, if you are a genuine collector you will sign if you are a flipper you won't, hence, no watch!

This exact procedure exists and is successful when you order a particular make and model of car, so in theory Omega, Rolex, Patek, etc should take note.

It's a $10k watch, no manufacturer is going to do that nonsense. Once an item is sold it's the property of the new owner, he can do what he wants with it. People are really acting irrationality (again) with this item. Those who are on the list, gloat, those that aren't, pout.
 
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But they don’t do this, for a reason.

It’s not as though the avenues to stop hype are lost on the corporation.

in the world of collectible shoes, some storefronts have begun taking the matters into their own hands. Specifically, for the most desirable and so flipp-able models, stores have required people to not only purchase their own size, but also put them on their feet and wear them out of the store. This has a more substantive affect on the value of a collectible shoe than the parallel would with wearing a watch out of a store. And indeed, watch stores are supposed to take off the stickers, etc. but often don’t.

Anyway, just a bit of an amusing aside, because you can find plenty of videos out there of shoe flippers walking out of storefronts laying down towels in front of themselves to keep the souls clean and stepping as gingerly as can be in order to not crease the leather of the shoes.
 
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Flipping happens with shoes, sneakers, PlayStation 5, knives, EDC items like flashlights, fishing reels, dresses, handbags you name it.

20k people want a watch now....and they are making as many as they can so the next 20k that are waiting next can get on the list.

This is going to go on for a while people. Omega is making them and will be for 3 or so years.
 
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The manufacturers fuel the fire by not policing the aftermarket of flippers, they could put an immediate stop to this by, at point of deposit or adding a name to the elusive in-store list, explain that the acceptance of the order is subject to the buyer not disposing of the watch for a period of 6, 12 or whatever months and that if he/she wishes to dispose of/sell in advance of this agreed period then the original supplying AD must be made aware to give approval. Quite simply, if you are a genuine collector you will sign if you are a flipper you won't, hence, no watch!

This exact procedure exists and is successful when you order a particular make and model of car, so in theory Omega, Rolex, Patek, etc should take note.
It's easier with cars because titles have to be registered with the state if you plan on ever driving it on public roads. Any change of ownership will be registered. Watches aren't registered by serial # for the most part with a few exceptions for the high-end brands with low production.
 
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Flipping happens with shoes, sneakers, PlayStation 5, knives, EDC items like flashlights, fishing reels, dresses, handbags you name it.

20k people want a watch now....and they are making as many as they can so the next 20k that are waiting next can get on the list.

This is going to go on for a while people. Omega is making them and will be for 3 or so years.

Agree. The only issue is that they have an estimated production of about 2000 per year. It might be quite challenging to deliver 20k (or 40k) pieces within the next 3 years.
Anyway, if you place a deposit in US, you will get your watch, sooner or later. This is not perfect, but at least it's better than nothing, and definitely better than other brands' game.
 
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Agree. The only issue is that they have an estimated production of about 2000 per year. It might be quite challenging to deliver 20k (or 40k) pieces within the next 3 years.
Anyway, if you place a deposit in US, you will get your watch, sooner or later. This is not perfect, but at least it's better than nothing, and definitely better than other brands' game.
Where did you hear that estimate of 2K anually, could it be you're thinking about the cal. 321?
 
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Agree. The only issue is that they have an estimated production of about 2000 per year. It might be quite challenging to deliver 20k (or 40k) pieces within the next 3 years.
Anyway, if you place a deposit in US, you will get your watch, sooner or later. This is not perfect, but at least it's better than nothing, and definitely better than other brands' game.
That's the whole point of this thread...
I can't put a deposit down now or get on the OB's list for future production because they aren't taking names/deposits and the OBs say they are sold out for the entire production run.
...And I don't want to be forced to buy a watch I don't want just to be on the "preferred list" so that they will contact me in the future if something changes.
This is NOT a LE but feeling like it based on the OBs policies.
 
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Sacha Davidoff said in his unboxing they are projecting about 2k per year, that he and his brother can each get one, but that they might not be able to get a third for a client. He said they haven’t seen this before, even for limited editions, which this is not.

The watch is complicated to make, and I do believe they are legitimately capped in how fast they can make them. Whether or not they are intentionally limiting it to up the hype is up for debate, I don’t think I’ve seen any direct evidence.

I am sympathetic to the OP, but it does appear he was a little bit late and got caught by surprise. Based on what happened to Snoopy 45th, this was likely predictable to Speedmaster collectors. Also, the watch they created is epic and unique.
 
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That's the whole point of this thread...
I can't put a deposit down now or get on the OB's list for future production because they aren't taking names/deposits and the OBs say they are sold out for the entire production run.
...And I don't want to be forced to buy a watch I don't want just to be on the "preferred list" so that they will contact me in the future if something changes.
This is NOT a LE but feeling like it based on the OBs policies.
I know that sucks but at this point there's not much you can do other than register your interest. I knew the Snoopy 50 was coming out and put down a deposit a few weeks before official release at my local OB. Hopefully you'll get the watch you want.
 
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That's the whole point of this thread...
I can't put a deposit down now or get on the OB's list for future production because they aren't taking names/deposits and the OBs say they are sold out for the entire production run.
...And I don't want to be forced to buy a watch I don't want just to be on the "preferred list" so that they will contact me in the future if something changes.
This is NOT a LE but feeling like it based on the OBs policies.

Alight, now I got you.
You have two ways, and if you are really obsessed with this timepiece you could try to play a combo strategy.
The Omega rules in US and outside US for allocation are different.
US: If you place the full deposit, you will get the reference. Those lists at the moment are closed. The only thing you can do is make sure you are on the waiting list to jump on the deposit list when they will reopen them. I know, it's not perfect, but the production is limited, and there are a lot of people in line.
EU: they don't take full deposits, and because of that they will not guarantee a timepiece. There are OBs that are putting people on the list without deposit or they are taking a 15-20% deposit. There is some understanding that people with partial deposits might have a better chance of getting the piece. You could, potentially, place a 2K token (fully refundable) and get on one of those lists. They accept bank transfers and will send you a receive by email. Remember it's not guaranteed, but it's an option.

There are other consideration to make, that include your relation with Omega in general (they check if you had other purchases with them), your relation with an OB (that you can establish even by phone and email), and of course a bit of luck.
It's not a perfect system, as it's not a perfect world. But if you play your cards well this time I'm sure you can position yourself well and have a shot.
Try not to get too upset. We are already under a tremendous amount of pressure at work. Beautiful watches are just a good distraction, and the hunt is part of the fun! If you see it in this way, you will enjoy the journey.
 
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$100K spend at Omega is easily doable. I think most people on here are thinking about a speedy or a basic seamaster. Omega makes alot of models in precious metals and diamonds. They sell alot of these in the asian and middle east markets. Precious metals get you 30K+, once you add the diamonds and jewels you are easily over 50K+. On top of these they have the platinum 321 as someone mentioned but also the tourbillons which are over 150K a piece.

As for the snoopy, I am not sure any OB has solid knowledge of production numbers unless it is an actual LE. Omega is about volume and making sales so I don't see them trying to artificially limiting anything unless there is a real production capacity issue.
 
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Where did you hear that estimate of 2K anually, could it be you're thinking about the cal. 321?

2 sales associates I'm working with in different countries, 1 omega boutique director, and it was also discussed during an Omega event is Switzerland. It might change, and get a bit better to satisfy the initial demand and the full deposits, but overall the production will be very limited.
I have it even in written from one of the sale associates when gave me the information about the piece.
 
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That's the whole point of this thread...
I can't put a deposit down now or get on the OB's list for future production because they aren't taking names/deposits and the OBs say they are sold out for the entire production run.
...And I don't want to be forced to buy a watch I don't want just to be on the "preferred list" so that they will contact me in the future if something changes.
This is NOT a LE but feeling like it based on the OBs policies.

They are not sold out the entire run. I have from a reliable source that once the first backlog is worked out there will be another couple of goes.

1 they didn’t want to extend lists over 12 months because some countries have full deposits. Some don’t.
2 they have never had a Rolex buy other watches to get what you want.
3 A 20 year old in Sydney got a watch without any buying history but was one of the first on the list once announced
4 the 3861 is in full production now as it’s in the new Speedmaster. They will make a lot more than 2000 Snoopy watches a year

Just keep letting your boutique know your interested in one.
 
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2 sales associates I'm working with in different countries, 1 omega boutique director, and it was also discussed during an Omega event is Switzerland. It might change, and get a bit better to satisfy the initial demand and the full deposits, but overall the production will be very limited.
I have it even in written from one of the sale associates when gave me the information about the piece.

I have heard a few hundred are coming out next week and they have made over 1000 since October and production is going to be solid for the next few years.
 
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I have heard a few hundred are coming out next week and they have made over 1000 since October and production is going to be solid for the next few years.

I spoke with them few days ago. The allocation depends on how big is the boutique and the numbers at the moment are still pretty low.
Some of the customers that are well positioned will receive the estimate about getting the watch this year soon.
Their official position is that they know "exactly" how many they want to make. But I don't really buy that.
I'm cool with the fact that nobody will ever know how many there are out there and with the most important point that this will be somehow a hard to get sport watch.
Which is cool for Omega as this brings some variety in the landscape of steel references across brands.
 
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I spoke with them few days ago. The allocation depends on how big is the boutique and the numbers at the moment are still pretty low.
Some of the customers that are well positioned will receive the estimate about getting the watch this year soon.
Their official position is that they know "exactly" how many they want to make. But I don't really buy that.
I'm cool with the fact that nobody will ever know how many there are out there and with the most important point that this will be somehow a hard to get sport watch.
Which is cool for Omega as this brings some variety in the landscape of steel references across brands.

I know exactly how many are on the list in Australasia right now but not divulging. But it is a lot more than they expected and they are going to cover them and then open lists again.

Same as ST1 they had no idea they would sell the 2012 let alone sell out in under 4 hours. They knew better at ST2 and got them out heaps quicker.

They knew after the 50th they would sell at least 10k but didn’t expect a lot more than that within a few days.
 
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I know exactly how many are on the list in Australasia right now but not divulging. But it is a lot more than they expected and they are going to cover them and then open lists again.

Same as ST1 they had no idea they would sell the 2012 let alone sell out in under 4 hours. They knew better at ST2 and got them out heaps quicker.

They knew after the 50th they would sell at least 10k but didn’t expect a lot more than that within a few days.

It's my understanding that numbers in Asia are huge, with actual demand that surpassed the US.
According to my Omega friends , they are not allowed to take full deposits "guaranteed" over there, and that is probably pushing the hype even more.
I'm sure they will produce Snoopy 50 in a decent number to satisfy some of the request. I don't think they will ever go in a self destructive mode and produce 40K pieces in 3 years. I don't believe that is their goal and I don't think they actually have even the means to do that.
Time will tell!
Anyway I'm very confident they will reopen the lists is US after they have allocate some more pieces.
 
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😁 I literally have a degree in philosophy from a top 3 program in the world; you meanwhile appear to misunderstand even the difference between “ethics” and “values.” 👍

The really cool guys will meanwhile be at the dive bar down the street; only occasionally venturing into the cool club, but not being broken up about it if turned away at the door.
Well then you should know about ad hominem fallacies.
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There's no evidence at all that Omega is doing this. Please tell me you understand this?
Well, we know that the second part is true based on what people in this thread and others said salespeople at the OBs are telling customers. The first part remains to be seen but we'll find out soon enough. Basically, a watch company with these price points, producing a million watches a year, shouldn't be short of anything other than what they are deliberately holding back.
 
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