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路Francois Borgel case and guilloche dial 馃榾
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路I like the crown too
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路Got this 50s bumper Alpina today, one of the nicest condition I鈥檝e seen! 馃榾
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路And on the wrist
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路路LemaniacHappy to see it has gone to a good home!
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路I believe I was the second highest bidder...
Happy to see it has gone to a good home!
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路路Kilt Owner, Beagle Parent, Omega CollectorStill waiting on these two, 馃檨
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路Some details
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Alpha
路路Kilt Owner, Beagle Parent, Omega CollectorOn the wrist this evening, I really wonder if this thread is a good idea, perhaps we should be keeping the Alpina brand as quiet as possible 馃槈
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路On the wrist this evening, I really wonder if his thread is a good idea, perhaps we should be keeping the Alpina brand as quiet as possible 馃槈
The pieces I have owned holds very high quality, and can definitively be compared to omega, Longines etc in this era! 馃榾
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路路惟f Jury memberI agree, they really are one of few high quality manufactures (in their prime) that still is really underrated. I mean a lot of the 40 and 50s cases where made by Francois Borgel.
Actually they were made by Taubert. Louisa Borgel, the daughter of Francois, sold the business in 1924 to the Taubert family. The confusion persists because Taubert continued to use the "FB" stamp on the cases, though to be fair the original Borgel designs were largely retained, with modifications added by Taubert over the years.
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路路schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorOn the wrist this evening, I really wonder if his thread is a good idea, perhaps we should be keeping the Alpina brand as quiet as possible 馃槈
I just checked who started this thread 馃う
A few years ago in the Netherlands I was surprised how many nice examples I came across sitting in the antique stores in Amsterdam for little $$s compared to other brands. If I hadn鈥檛 been focused on an engagement ring rather than watches I would have snapped them up at the time.
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路Actually they were made by Taubert. Louisa Borgel, the daughter of Francois, sold the business in 1924 to the Taubert family. The confusion persists because Taubert continued to use the "FB" stamp on the cases, though to be fair the original Borgel designs were largely retained, with modifications added by Taubert over the years.
My point was that this casedesigner regardless who owned the company and the stamp name they where using where making very high quality cases. Such as the first waterproof Patek in the 30s, ref 565 which had a design patented by Francois Borgel in late 1800s 馃榾
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Tony C.
路路惟f Jury memberThat is correct, what I meant was that Alpina and more manufactures where using cases made by the company who still called them F.B (for Francois Borgel) even though Taubert have bought it and was running it.
My point was that this casedesigner regardless who owned the company and the stamp name they where using where making very high quality cases. Such as the first waterproof Patek in the 30s, ref 565 which had a design patented by Francois Borgel in late 1800s 馃榾
While we agree completely that the cases were of the highest quality, that is not an entirely accurate representation of what occurred. Yes, Taubert was happy, especially early on, to market some of their cases as Borgel/FB. But those that Mido employed, to use one example, were not marked "FB".
More importantly, while Taubert did use some of the original designs without modifications, they made modifications to others, and to characterize those as "Borgel" is simply inaccurate. Ironically, you mention the Patek ref. 565, yet the case used in that model was patented in the 1930s, well after Taubert had absorbed Borgel. So that was clearly a Taubert case, albeit obviously derivative in some ways.
The most obvious modification was the adoption of the ten-sided (decagonal) design around the edge of the case back. It is one of the most easily identifiable hallmarks of the Taubert/Borgel cases that are held in such high regard, yet Borgel had nothing to do with it!
The brilliant cork-sealing crown system in Mido models was another important Taubert innovation.
So I make the distinction between the two manufacturers not only for semantic purposes.
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