Selling to the EU

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Quite off-topic, but the rationale is simple: VAT is a tax on the whole value chain which is payed by the last member of the chain. There is a "trick" tough since, how do you "value" "value"? Simple answer is you directly map "value" to "price". If you bought something for X and sold it for X+delta, "delta" is the added value that you will pay taxes for. Note "delta" can be either a positive or a negative number. When you have to set your VAT declaration, you sum up all VAT that you collected from your sellings and detract all the VAT you had to pay to others from your buyings. If then it happens you collected VAT in excess, you return it to your government (since VAT is not payed to independent agents, but always to government: you merely collect it temporarily on its name).

That's the rationale. Now: does reality always map to rationale? I.e.: if you are not acting in a professional stanza you don't collect nor pay business-related taxes so no VAT should be involved while sometimes, i.e. trans-border operations, it might happen. It should be either petty money (one watch a year?), or the problem, if volume is high, may be a different one: maybe you are acting professionally in disguise and thus, comitting tax fraud.


I understand how taxes work really well... But my point is that the current system is missing common sense in this case.

If there is X+delta, only delta shall be taxed... but not by VAT (which is calculated from the final price = item price + shipping costs + customs), the right tax is income tax (under condition there are no other related costs). Nowadays, the world is globalized, and if there is no VAT on stocks for example, why on used watches? As I said before, there is no “value added”. There is no common sense fot that. If there is a cross-border transaction of a new item, VAT is applied just once - country of sales or country of consumption - not both. But when a used watch is concerned, VAT is paid twice. I am sorry for off-topic, we can discuss the issue via private messages.

Imagine this example: UK based private person buys a watch for retail (VAT is included, state got paid) for 100 EUR, after some time he sells it to continental Europe (i.e. Germany) for 100 EUR shipping included, but after Brexit, customs and VAT are applied... so the German guy pays something like 125 EUR (100+customs + VAT). Where is the value added? And again, after some time the Germany guy sells it back to the original owner or to US/Australia (not EU)... VAT is applied again and the state is paid again. We can continue like this, the watch can travel arround the world and VAT is paid everytime... stupid in my opinion. (If law says that, I respect that, but I still think it is wrong policy)
 
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Zephyr makes a good point.
Also, in the case of a used item travelling from buyer to buyer between different countries the tax each government collects everytime the item is sold leads to price inflation of the item without necessarily reflecting its demand and supply curve.
 
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Imagine this example: UK based private person buys a watch for retail (VAT is included, state got paid) for 100 EUR, after some time he sells it to continental Europe (i.e. Germany) for 100 EUR shipping included, but after Brexit, customs and VAT are applied... so the German guy pays something like 125 EUR (100+customs + VAT). Where is the value added?

Before brexit, value added was zero, and treated as such. After Brexit, the value chain on the UK side ends on the exporter which, in fact, shouldn't add VAT to the item's bill. But on EU the value added is for the full price of the imported item (previously it didn't exist within the EU realm, now it exists in full... magic!). Now, if the good is sold to an end consumer, the value chain ends there, if it's a merchant, he will re-sell it applying VAT and liquidating the difference, as always did.

There are ways, of course, for these kind of things not to happen, like finding some kind of commercial agreement between a foreign country, i.e. UK, and those that already share such kind an agreement, we'll call them here "EU". Under such kind of agreement, parts would consider themselves under a shared commercial space and, as such, they could take into consideration the full value-chain end-to-end, disregarding borders. Wouldn't it be great for UK to become a member of such kind of agreement already encompassing like, say, 27 countries meaning about 15% of world's GDP? It seemingly would be of benefit both to the so-called EU, which would move from 15 to about 17,5% of world's GDP as well as for UK, which would gain easier commercial access to that 15% of GDP as well as bargaining power when dealing with the rest of the world.
 
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As a Brit living in Ireland, everything is a complete mess since Brexit.
Ive ordered 2 things from the UK ( not watches ) and theyve taken months to arrive, and had a load of trouble with customs. 1 item was returned to the sender, as a form wasnt completed properly.
Amazon.co.uk have got everything in order, but there is no way on earth personally, I would buy anything from the UK, the way things are.
 
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Taxes in any form, like insurance, never will make logical sense, trying to use reasonable every day common sense is round peg / square hole stuff, and the more methods that we come up with to avoid or evade paying either, the more ingenious they will become to recoup what they lose, through either fuel duty or income tax, or increased premiums, or other things we can't evade paying for, so we can run about collecting up the crumbs and tire ourselves out or just come to terms with it, yes it's annoying as hell to pay tax twice or three times, especially when you see how it's sometimes wasted by government departments, but you may as well shout at a tsunami to turn around and go back where it came from
 
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UK-based members on this thread may want to check out this one - and maybe sign the petition it talks about.
 
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And there's also the hotel quarantine to factor in. You would have to really want the watch!
definitely not ideal during current horrible climate!
 
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I too am in Ireland and purchasing from the UK is difficult. The packaging on the last watch I bought from the UK was opened by customs to check the goods so VAT would be charged appropriately.