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Seiko True Pogue has the right stuff to BLAST off

  1. pseikotick Jan 29, 2020

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    I'm not new to Seiko, as I owned many when my pockets were young and shallow, but I am only recently enjoying the Seiko space connection: The "Pogue" 6139 6005 American market watch worn by Bill Pogue on Skylab 4. The exact variant he wore sported "water 70m resist" on the left side of the dial and only "SEIKO Automatic" beneath noon. Of course, the dial was gold. That variation seems to have been produced between Feb 1971 and Apr 1972 only and only sold in US markets. He bought his at a BX on a USAF installation.

    Those not paying attention may not have noticed the prices during the last few years, but what used to be maybe 500 usd for a nice example just a few years ago can now bring 2500 for a similar watch. There is scarcity and high demand. I believe within a few short years similar condition "true Pogues" will match the prices of early 70s Speedmaster Pros. (4 to 7K currently, give or take) You might say this watch has the right stuff to blast off in value.
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  2. jsducote Jan 29, 2020

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    Internets seem to think that the variant is 6002.
     
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  3. SpeedyPhill asked ages ago but no longer interested Jan 30, 2020

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    It looks like Owen Garriott also flew a few Seiko wrist watches on Skylab but we'll have to check the manifests... I heard this when his son Richard Garriott took off to the ISS in 2008 as he also carried a pair of Seiko Spacewalker Spring Drive wrist watches that stayed on the ISS so Lonchakov could wear both watches over the Orlan spacesuit for his December 2008 spacewalk... he returned both watches to Richard Garriott who auctioned one for charity !
     
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  4. smitty190373 Jan 30, 2020

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    True Pogue is 6139-6005, ideally 1971.

    6005 was produced for the U.S.A, while 6002 was being made for the international market.
     
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  5. Gav1967 Tend not to fret too much Jan 30, 2020

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    You may be right in terms of value but only time will tell and could just be wishful thinking

    I have a 1975 6002 without the Water resist dial as part of my weekly rotation and love wearing it. I still consider it a "Pogue" regardless of which precise model Bill Pogue wore

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  6. janice&fred Jan 30, 2020

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    we have a few of them but I doubt your value predictions will work in the real world. the name "pogue" has been thrown around for so many years on the internet for anything with that case design regardless of dial color or configuration that the genuine examples' values are diluted.

    I also can't imagine $2500 being a realistic price as I was just on manhattan yesterday and seen 2 of them in nice clean shape and both were under $700.
     
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  7. Walrus Jan 30, 2020

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    Historical value aside they are a very nice looking watch
     
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  8. SpeedyPhill asked ages ago but no longer interested Jan 30, 2020

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    Always difficult to say for one-off spaceflown wristwatch models (e.g. Yema used by French cosmonauts) :rolleyes:
     
  9. smitty190373 Jan 30, 2020

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    I very much doubt these were the 'True Pogues' that the O.P stated ?

    There's a big difference between a Seiko 6139-600X and a 'True Pogue' 6139-6005. The 'True Pogue' has to have several things.

    Automatic only Japan 6139-6009T dial, water 70m resist, and 17J with Suwa symbol above the subdial. The dials are also a lighter shade of yellow, and if you want to be anal it should be a 19xxx serial dating to Sept 1971, or very close.

    At a guess I would say for every 300-400 6139-600X's you see sell, there maybe 1 True Pogue.

    This is one.

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  10. asrnj77 Feb 1, 2020

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    I wish I would have bid on the actual space flown Pogue that sold for $6000 in 2008
     
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  11. befobe Feb 1, 2020

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    ssspeedy and sssseiko...
     
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  12. janice&fred Feb 1, 2020

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    we know what we have and we don't need to "pull them out" and check anything and report back in the hopes you follow thru with your offer. despite our penchant for watch-hunting and selling here and there, our Pogues, just like most of our long-standing collection of stuff are not for sale. if we were looking to cash-in we have other watches far more interesting than the Pogues. however we wouldn't think of using one from our collection as an icon and start threads on it attempting to create buzz and boost it's value, but to each their own.
     
  13. Gav1967 Tend not to fret too much Feb 1, 2020

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    Nice example although if you want to be really anal then Bill Pogue's watch had a different bracelet. More like a jubilee type
     
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  14. smitty190373 Feb 1, 2020

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    I agree, although that watch isn't mine unfortunately , it was added as an example of a 'true pogue' that the o.p is talking about. It's a watch owned by Seiko collector eriksstrikland on instagram.

    Plenty of people confuse them with other 6139-600X references. I've never found one at a price I was willing to pay. I bid on one last year, but it went well over my 4 fig bid. If you're waiting to find one one with the exact same bracelet the wait may be a long one. Whenever a legit one comes to market there are usually several serious bidders involved. And If you want to be really anal there is only ONE 'true pogue' and that last sold 12 years ago ;).

    I don't really think a thread with a handful of replies will do much to boost prices over night, do you? As for the Pogue, it was interesting enough for you to comment on wasn't it.
     
  15. janice&fred Feb 1, 2020

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    yes it was as we have a few. however I am always suspicious when price and perceived rarity are the focal points of a thread on a watch an OP owns. Geography plays too large a role in watch values and one shouldn't assume everyone relies on the internet and network in that manner.

    some dealer guy lists and sells stuff for incredible amounts on the internet? There are other dealers that couldn't care less about the internet-based market and base values on the actual markets available locally. On 47th st and the Chelsea weekend markets one can buy these same watches for a more realistic price. Same for brick and mortar antique shops and second hand shops. A hand full of dealers on the virtual reality of the net don't necessarily dictate the actual reality of watch hunting via boots on the ground. Pogues don't cost $2500 in my real world.
     
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  16. smitty190373 Feb 1, 2020

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    I'm a big fan of True Pogues, can you post some pics of the ones you own? Always interested to see them.

    I can only speak of the ones i've seen, and they were both Ebay sales. I never said they were all $2500, but the few I have seen sell have exchanged hands for at least double the sub $700 you mentioned.
     
  17. janice&fred Feb 1, 2020

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    of course I can. however I'm not about to be button-holed and "pull out" ours like the OP suggested nor post pics of our collection on your whim. there are plenty fellow members here that know us and the stuff we have and what I think of the inflated values some owners put on their watches. While i'm at it I could post pics of rare Rolexes and Tudors of ours that are featured in the Vintage Rolex Archive as well, but no need as you can easily view them there yourself. The issue here is I don't speak of values on them in terms of what they are going to be worth in the future. We like them and are keeping them.


    There you go. My point in this thread is we don't pay much attention to how a few internet traders and "experts" are pricing stuff. We buy watches in person not on the net. To us that's where true value comes into play. If you want to buy a Pogue or two reasonably your best bet is hit the streets and shops of Manhattan, or Cebu City Philippines. Oh...and to dispel the notion that certain seikos were ONLY for the American or North American market, we have bought those exact model numbers in the Philippines as well. It is not a hard a fast rule as some experts will tell you.
     
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  18. Dan S Feb 1, 2020

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    The claim of $2,500 is not accurate in my experience. Maybe someone is asking that price, but excellent examples still sell for less than $1,000. That said, I think that various Seiko chronographs have some potential to increase in value modestly, and a few could really take off, most notably the 5717/5719, especially with the original plastic bezel. These pieces really seem to have all the elements to be a broadly desirable watch for vintage enthusiasts ... rarity, an Olympic connection, good looks, a delicate bezel that is often broken or replaced, etc. Maybe I should just shut up now, since I don't own one yet.

    The 6139-600x references have historical interest, but the style does not appeal to everyone, and they are perhaps too common.
     
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  19. Dan S Feb 1, 2020

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    OK, so now we are down to $1,500. You may be right, they really don't appeal to me that much and I can't say I follow prices very carefully of each particular variant. However, these claims would be more credible if you posted some links to specific sales/auction prices (not asking prices), that would be much appreciated, and valuable as a reference for perpetuity.

    And honestly I think your language toward @janice&fred is unwarranted. I realize that they can be argumentative, but you've taken it to another level. Let's keep things civil.
     
  20. smitty190373 Feb 1, 2020

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    True pogues are not common.