Seiko 6105-8000 Slim Willard Lume?

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I was hoping for a sanity check on the lume on a 6105-8000 Slim Willard I'm looking at (also for my general knowledge). Everything seems original and honest with the watch but the high magnification closeups of the dial make me wonder if there has been a relume at all or is this how these watches came in the late 60s?

 
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It's been a very long time since I was studying these daily but I'd err on the side of relume for this one.
Originals, to me, look like a true quality job; flat and the lume fill sits slightly lower than the plot surrounds. This one looks fully filled.
Colour wise, I believe that a tan/biege lume is accepted as original on some range of these, as opposed to the more likely green.
For the price that these now command I'd suggest caution and patience.
Have you checked Seiko and Citizen Watch Forum (SCWF)? I don't think their sales show up on watchrecon.
Forum name change: https://www.thewatchsite.com/forums/seiko-citizen-classifieds.8/
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Often relumed because of mold. Daini examples have highly radioactive tan lume. The typical Suwa watches are green, but look very light in crappy iPhone photos like this one.



Better photo of the Suwa.

 
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Here's another resist dial. Can't find a good photo of my proof dial at the moment.



Here's another. Original dial but relumed / aftermarket hands.

 
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Here's a proof. Lume looks about the same to me. Recessed in the lume pots, kind of a wavy texture.

 
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Here's a proof. Lume looks about the same to me. Recessed in the lume pots, kind of a wavy texture.

Thanks for all of the photos and info on the tan lume being radioactive.

The watchsite post referenced above is a fascinating piece of research.

I'm still on the fence - I feel like if the photos bug me, it will always bug me in real life. I'll keep hunting around for a solid example, they are hard to come by. After acquiring a 6306 and getting in deep with vintage Seiko, for some reason I've become fixated on this model even over the more popular Captain Willard.
 
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Thanks for all of the photos and info on the tan lume being radioactive.

The watchsite post referenced above is a fascinating piece of research.

I'm still on the fence - I feel like if the photos bug me, it will always bug me in real life. I'll keep hunting around for a solid example, they are hard to come by. After acquiring a 6306 and getting in deep with vintage Seiko, for some reason I've become fixated on this model even over the more popular Captain Willard.
I like these much more than the -8110, they are my favorites next to the 62mas. Unfortunately, I only have three left, all different variations with no duplicates, so I don't have one to sell at the moment.
 
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Agreed on the above.
My passion for Seiko goes back many years, my tastes have changed, but I also used to prefer the more harmonious shapes of the Slim Willard.
 
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I like these much more than the -8110, they are my favorites next to the 62mas. Unfortunately, I only have three left, all different variations with no duplicates, so I don't have one to sell at the moment.
Fantastic collection. The dark lume seems like the rarest of them all? Interesting discussion on why it’s more radioactive and Suwa vs. Daini build
 
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Fantastic collection. The dark lume seems like the rarest of them all? Interesting discussion on why it’s more radioactive and Suwa vs. Daini build
The Daini are probably the least common. Legit resist/proof examples are also pretty uncommon, but it is difficult to distinguish legit from franken. Seiko did not use radioactive lume (even tritium) for domestic production as it was not allowed in Japan. The brown lume on this reference and others is not just radioactive, but very hot, and from the Daini factory. They were presumably made for export, but the details are murky.
 
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The Daini are probably the least common. Legit resist/proof examples are also pretty uncommon, but it is difficult to distinguish legit from franken. Seiko did not use radioactive lume (even tritium) for domestic production as it was not allowed in Japan. The brown lume on this reference and others is not just radioactive, but very hot, and from the Daini factory. They were presumably made for export, but the details are murky.

That's interesting. I didn't realize they did radium lume for the export market.

I agree with everyone that it's a beautiful reference. Probably my favorite Seiko. I have others that I really like and enjoy, but if I'm trying to be honest about design details: form, balance, proportion, texture, and all that... It's the 6105-8000 for me.

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Beautiful watch @Dsloan. I have a 1979 6306 turtle and a SKX009J and agree with the above, I am going after the 6105-8000 over the -8110 to round out my Seiko collection.. I love the case design and sizing and the fact that they were only produced for a few years. These vintage Seiko divers have been a revelation for me... all of the hallmarks of great vintage watches (scholarship, quality, unique & classic design, little details to harp over) without the high prices of Speedies, Rolex etc.

I kind of like it that they are even more under the radar than vintage Speedmasters, but maybe I'm crazy.
 
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Beautiful watch @Dsloan. I have a 1979 6306 turtle and a SKX009J and agree with the above, I am going after the 6105-8000 over the -8110 to round out my Seiko collection.. I love the case design and sizing and the fact that they were only produced for a few years. These vintage Seiko divers have been a revelation for me... all of the hallmarks of great vintage watches (scholarship, quality, unique & classic design, little details to harp over) without the high prices of Speedies, Rolex etc.

You know, now that you mention it, maybe I need to find a vintage turtle for my collection...

I kind of like it that they are even more under the radar than vintage Speedmasters, but maybe I'm crazy.

You're not crazy. A recent exchange I had (at a Renaissance Fair of all places): I ran into a young guy with one of the older Omega 300M chronographs from the early 2000s. I was wearing my 6105. I go, "oh hey, nice watch. I love those Seamaster chronographs." He squints down at my Seiko and forces a smile and goes, "oh, cool. Seiko's a great brand to get started with."

😑😑😑
 
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Getting back to the OP’s question, that looks like a relume to me. The color is a bit on the tan side for a Suwa dial and the original Seiko lume was a bit coarser grained than this looks to be. The metal surrounds on the plots show some wear and corrosion, but the lume doesn’t — usually, if you see some corrosion of the metal you’re going to see some darkening at the edges of the lume unless the lume has been replaced. FWIW, some of the better dial restorers out there (not naming any names) will refinish the lume plot surrounds with a little matte lacquer before reluming; this seals the metal against further corrosion.

Also FWIW I’ve seen more Daini movements in 6105-8009s than other 6105s. No idea why the Daini watches were sent to the NA market, but that seems like it was the case. I have a pretty nice Daini -8009 I picked up a while back; the dial wasn’t so great so I had it relumed in a fairly deep tan.
 
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No idea why the Daini watches were sent to the NA market, but that seems like it was the case.
As discussed above, the lume on the Daini examples is highly radioactive, so they were definitely for export. I've read a lot of speculation about a special order for radium-lumed watches in the late 60s, but who knows.
 
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Getting back to the OP’s question, that looks like a relume to me. The color is a bit on the tan side for a Suwa dial and the original Seiko lume was a bit coarser grained than this looks to be. The metal surrounds on the plots show some wear and corrosion, but the lume doesn’t — usually, if you see some corrosion of the metal you’re going to see some darkening at the edges of the lume unless the lume has been replaced. FWIW, some of the better dial restorers out there (not naming any names) will refinish the lume plot surrounds with a little matte lacquer before reluming; this seals the metal against further corrosion.

Also FWIW I’ve seen more Daini movements in 6105-8009s than other 6105s. No idea why the Daini watches were sent to the NA market, but that seems like it was the case. I have a pretty nice Daini -8009 I picked up a while back; the dial wasn’t so great so I had it relumed in a fairly deep tan.
Appreciate the info. It didn’t quite feel right, this thread confirms for me.

I passed on the watch, on the hunt for a different example. Good ones are hard to find!