Seeking help with a Omega 167.005 Constellation

STV · Feb 4, 2021

Good evening guys, I would really appreciate help accessing this watch, verifying if it is legit, and what a good offer for it would be as I am not qualified at all to do this. I look forward to hearing any and all feedback anyone wants to share. Many thanks in advance!

The description says "I am selling a vintage Omega Constellation 167.005 CAL 551 Pie Pan Dial C1962.
It's in good condition, everything original and just serviced in 2020.
Feel free to let me know if you have any questions."

Here is the link - https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-GE...f66|ampid:PL_CLK|clp:2334524&autorefresh=true

Rudi99 · Feb 5, 2021

Hi @STV and welcome.

I am no expert for this reference, but one can tell by looking at the dial that there has been some water damage at some point. It does not look like a redial and it looks authentic but it is damaged. That for me would be a leg-breaker personally.

The case has also been polished. If you look at the lugs, they no longer look super sharp to their edges.

Movement looks ok but would be better if the seller showed a broader shot, so we could see the case around it.

I am not telling you not to buy it, just saying that the one who is selling has to take this into consideration regarding the price. Like I said, I am not an expert with the reference and I would not be able to say if 1300$ is too high for this condition. It might not even be thst high, but maybe it would be worth to wait for a watch that looks better, and even if it costs you more, it will you bring you more joy. That is just my opinion.

Edit: here is an offer by a fellow member:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/stunning-non-date-167-005-ref-dog-leg-pie-pan-constellation.125656/

Best,

Rudi

iamvr · Feb 5, 2021

I second @Rudi99 that this example is legit and even comes with the original crown, but the condition is very poor contrary to what it says in the ad (which is a joke). The dial has severe moisture damage and the case is overpolished. I would not want it regardless of the price.

Check out this thread to see good examples.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/show-me-your-167-005-or-168-005-connie.124329/

The same ref is on sale here on OF in a very good condition, but a version with lume:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/stunning-non-date-167-005-ref-dog-leg-pie-pan-constellation.125656/
I'm not commenting on whether the price is attractive, but it's a sought after reference (I want one too without lume), and they usually don't stick around for too long if the price is right.

Shabbaz · Feb 5, 2021

Did you take a look at the inside of the caseback? What does it say? Secondly, this watch is not in good condition.

Wlcutter · Feb 5, 2021

Shabbaz
Did you take a look at the inside of the caseback? What does it say? Secondly, this watch is not in good condition.

Agreed: I'm confused how it's an all OG 167.005 with a 14300 caseback?

iamvr · Feb 5, 2021

Wlcutter
Agreed: I'm confused how it's an all OG 167.005 with a 14300 caseback?

I believe it's 14900 on the back. Is it not basically the same watch as the 167.005 just the old ref number?

Wlcutter · Feb 5, 2021

iamvr
I believe it's 14900 on the back. Is it not basically the same watch as the 167.005 just the old ref number?

Ah, it is 14900; and absolutely on those references being close to identical (or perhaps *actually* identical), but why's it being advertised as a 167.005 if it's got a 14900 caseback? Is it atually a 14900? If it's a 167.005 with an earlier caseback, how's that (as the ad claims) all original?

iamvr · Feb 5, 2021

Wlcutter
why's it being advertised as a 167.005 if it's got a 14900 caseback?

That's indeed weird. But just the claim alone that it was in "good condition" is ludicrous.

gbesq · Feb 5, 2021

For all of the above reasons, you should pass on this watch OP. Here are some photos of my 1962 ref. 14900 in gold cap. This watch is all original (other than the strap and the buckle) and in mint condition. It’s not easy to find the 14900 and 167.005 references in excellent condition, but they do come up from time to time, so be patient and ready to buy quickly when you find a good example. By the way, a good example need not be perfect in order to enjoy it as a daily wearer. I’m also attaching photos of my 1964 ref. 167.005. The case has been polished (although not excessively), the dial has faded to a champagne color, and there is light even spotting across the entire face, but the movement is in excellent condition and I like the way that the dial has aged. It’s not a collector quality example, but it’s still one of my favorites.

STV · Feb 5, 2021

Sounds like I’ll pass, thanks for all of the help!

X350 XJR · Feb 5, 2021

14900 case back on OPs watch is a counterfeit, look at the stars.

kaplan · Feb 5, 2021

These seem to be $1200 on average, I guess it's best to aim for a good condition one, I recently saw one in good shape, but it didn't have the 12(?) sided crown as the ones pictured here

Even the worst redial pie pans seem to fetch around $800 tho, so even if someone buys this, I guess the damage won't be that big

Caliber561 · Feb 5, 2021

X350 XJR
14900 case back on OPs watch is a counterfeit, look at the stars.

On top of that, the engraving for the caseback seems to be laser-etched. Afaik, 14900 CBs had distinct engraving for the caseback inscriptions.

Noddyman · Feb 5, 2021

kaplan
These seem to be $1200 on average

$2000 plus for a nice one.

gbesq · Feb 5, 2021

Noddyman
$2000 plus for a nice one.

I was about to say that getting a 14900 or 167.005 in good condition for $1,200 is very optimistic indeed.

Wlcutter · Feb 5, 2021

X350 XJR
14900 case back on OPs watch is a counterfeit, look at the stars.

Thanks for pointing this out--the inside of the caseback was all wrong as well; I didn't realize they were going to such lengths to fake casebacks now. Good lord.

iamvr · Feb 5, 2021

Wlcutter
Thanks for pointing this out--the inside of the caseback was all wrong as well; I didn't realize they were going to such lengths to fake casebacks now. Good lord.

+1

Seeking help with a Omega 167.005 Constellation

STV

Rudi99

iamvr

Shabbaz

Wlcutter

iamvr

Wlcutter

iamvr

gbesq

STV

X350 XJR

kaplan

Caliber561

Noddyman

gbesq

Wlcutter

iamvr

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