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I have three vintage Omega watches:

1. ~ 1944 18K rose gold, manual wind, two-tone silver dial with large sub second hand, raised rose gold markers and rose gold hands. The case is 37 x 43 x 9.5 mm (case w/o crown, lug to lug, and thickness. Movement 30T2, 15 jewels.

2. ~ 1958 14K gold Seamaster Date with black dial. Case is 34 x 42 x 12 mm. I have the original receipt on this watch, bought in Wiesbaden, Germany on November 14, 1958. I also have the signed guarantee card and manual. I had the original box but have lost it. Reference #2849 Cal. 503, 20 jewels. The movement s/n is the same as on the receipt - so original movement.

3. ~1969 14K gold cap Seamaster Day-Date with" sparkle dial". Case is 36 x 41.5 x 11.5mm. Movement is 750, and the inside of the back case is stamped 166.032.

All run well. The Seamaster Day-Date was recently serviced at a whopping cost of $475 (for a watch that was running perfectly and keeping good time). The other two are ready to be serviced but run well without any issues. All look great on my wrist. I have owned the Day-Date for over 30 years, the 30T2 for about 15 years and the Seamaster Date for a time in between the other two.

I am thinking of keeping only one. I ask the age-old question "if you could only keep one, which would you keep and why?"
 
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I have three vintage Omega watches:

1. ~ 1944 18K rose gold, manual wind, two-tone silver dial with large sub second hand, raised rose gold markers and rose gold hands. The case is 37 x 43 x 9.5 mm (case w/o crown, lug to lug, and thickness. Movement 30T2, 15 jewels.

2. ~ 1958 14K gold Seamaster Date with black dial. Case is 34 x 42 x 12 mm. I have the original receipt on this watch, bought in Wiesbaden, Germany on November 14, 1958. I also have the signed guarantee card and manual. I had the original box but have lost it. Reference #2849 Cal. 503, 20 jewels. The movement s/n is the same as on the receipt - so original movement.

3. ~1969 14K gold cap Seamaster Day-Date with" sparkle dial". Case is 36 x 41.5 x 11.5mm. Movement is 750, and the inside of the back case is stamped 166.032.

All run well. The Seamaster Day-Date was recently serviced at a whopping cost of $475 (for a watch that was running perfectly and keeping good time). The other two are ready to be serviced but run well without any issues. All look great on my wrist. I have owned the Day-Date for over 30 years, the 30T2 for about 15 years and the Seamaster Date for a time in between the other two.

I am thinking of keeping only one. I ask the age-old question "if you could only keep one, which would you keep and why?"

My order is just as you have them photographed, 1, 2, 3.

What I find interesting is the comment to the effect that $475 was a lot of money for a service on a watch that had nothing wrong with it. If it took a full day to disassemble the movement, scrupulously clean the parts, clean the DNA off the case, reassemble the movement with proper lubrication, install it in the case, and then calibrate it (without a trace of ever having been inside the watch) that would be $60 an hour. If done in half the time, $120/hour. Had you asked your local mechanic to remove the cylinder head on a four cylinder car and reassemble it with a new head gasket, it would have cost three times that for the same amount of time spent. I guess its hard to appreciate the effort and skill that goes into wristwatch repair unless you actually do it yourself.
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My order is just as you have them photographed, 1, 2, 3.
This
 
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I would say sell #1.

Because that is the one I'd love to buy...
 
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Calendar, day-date, jumbo
I鈥檇 keep the Calendar over the others personally
 
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Keep the day/date, the other two have refinished dials.

It's also the most versatile of the bunch, dress it up or down can't go wrong.
 
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Keep the day/date, the other two have refinished dials.

It's also the most versatile of the bunch, dress it up or down can't go wrong.

totally agree. Keep the original one, n.3
 
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And if you鈥檙e going to sell any, don鈥檛 service them as you will never recover those costs.
 
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My order is just as you have them photographed, 1, 2, 3.

What I find interesting is the comment to the effect that $475 was a lot of money for a service on a watch that had nothing wrong with it. If it took a full day to disassemble the movement, scrupulously clean the parts, clean the DNA off the case, reassemble the movement with proper lubrication, install it in the case, and then calibrate it (without a trace of ever having been inside the watch) that would be $60 an hour. If done in half the time, $120/hour. Had you asked your local mechanic to remove the cylinder head on a four cylinder car and reassemble it with a new head gasket, it would have cost three times that for the same amount of time spent. I guess its hard to appreciate the effort and skill that goes into wristwatch repair unless you actually do it yourself.
 
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Even though it's my least favorite of the three references, I'd have to advise you to keep the one that's not a re-dial.
 
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You make a fair point. Everyone needs to make a living. And I have no clue what was done with the watch. It may very well have been a fair price for services rendered. The watchmaker I used to take my watches to retired. So I tried a new store. It is a much bigger business that also deals in jewelry and other luxury goods, like Channel bags and such. The previous watchmaker had a small shop and he was clearly knowledgeable and very interested in the watches I brought in. Whenever he did any work, he told me exactly what needed to be done. This last time I only interacted with the sales staff. The work performed was completely opaque to me. They never told me what was done and the salesperson could not answer any questions I had. So perhaps my experience was colored by working with an impersonal company rather than the much more personal experience I had previously.

I will say, however, that the escalating costs in regularly servicing these watches are one reason I am contemplating selling some. Just as a marker of time, this Omega cost less than $200 to service in the 1990's, around $300 in the 2000's and most recently $475. A Rolex Datejust I have also owned for 30 years recently cost $819 to service. The reality is that there are only 365 days of wrist time each year. The larger the collection, the less time each watch can spend on your wrist. There is probably a happy number of watches that balances the joy one receives against the costs one must bear in this hobby.

I have always been told these watches should be serviced every five years. Is that still the recommended service interval?
 
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Thanks for all the comments. I really appreciate it.

I'm curious, what is a redial and how does one know if a watch is a redial?

The 30T2 needs a little TLC, the case back has a dimple and is worn where it snaps into the back of the case. Time has taken a toll on the soft 18K gold. I looked at it carefully under a microscope and determined this is likely to require someone skilled to repair. Do I repair or replace the back? Has anyone had experience with the Omega restoration services? Is that option worth considering for this watch?
 
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The 30T2 needs a little TLC, the case back has a dimple and is worn where it snaps into the back of the case. Time has taken a toll on the soft 18K gold. I looked at it carefully under a microscope and determined this is likely to require someone skilled to repair. Do I repair or replace the back? Has anyone had experience with the Omega restoration services? Is that option worth considering for this watch?

No, you don't want to get involved in spending any money on the 30T2 or the black one. I assume you are going to sell them, so just sell them as-is. Much of the value is in the gold.

If you decide that you absolutely want to keep one of them, then we can advise you how to repair it if that's what you want to do.
 
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I have always been told these watches should be serviced every five years. Is that still the recommended service interval?

I can see how your experience with an impersonal organization could taint your opinion of the whole affair. I too would be reluctant to engage someone whose approach is simply "leave it to me- I'll take care of it". Hopefully someone here can recommend a better alternative to have your watches serviced. i am not knowledgeable enough about the true service life of these devices but that doesn't stop me from having an opinion. If a watch is truly serviced well, that means new crown seal, crystal, case gasket, then it will be sealed against the elements. Lubricants used in the 50s, 60s, and 70s were old school and they failed and needed to be washed out and replaced. But with the advent of synthetics, the service interval can be extended, again, my opinion. I believe a watch should be able to run 10 years between services if the service work performed is comprehensive and up to date lubricants used.
 
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Calendar, day-date, jumbo
I鈥檇 keep the Calendar over the others personally

Ditto.
 
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No, you don't want to get involved in spending any money on the 30T2 or the black one. I assume you are going to sell them, so just sell them as-is. Much of the value is in the gold.

If you decide that you absolutely want to keep one of them, then we can advise you how to repair it if that's what you want to do.


Thanks for the advice. I would like to get advice on service and repair. Where would you take a watch like this for repair and service?
 
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My order is just as you have them photographed, 1, 2, 3.

What I find interesting is the comment to the effect that $475 was a lot of money for a service on a watch that had nothing wrong with it. If it took a full day to disassemble the movement, scrupulously clean the parts, clean the DNA off the case, reassemble the movement with proper lubrication, install it in the case, and then calibrate it (without a trace of ever having been inside the watch) that would be $60 an hour. If done in half the time, $120/hour. Had you asked your local mechanic to remove the cylinder head on a four cylinder car and reassemble it with a new head gasket, it would have cost three times that for the same amount of time spent. I guess its hard to appreciate the effort and skill that goes into wristwatch repair unless you actually do it yourself.

I can clearly see the point you're trying to prove, but the thing is, that an experienced watchmaker takes the movement apart in 1.5 hour or less. The watch cleaning machine will do most of the cleaning within 30mins. Reassembling and re-oiling will take another 1.5 hour, maybe two, considering the movement has to adjusted. Within 4 effective working hours the job is done. So I guess 475$ is a rather high price for a service of a watch like this with rather "easy" complications. I guess you could have gotten an equally good service for around 300$.