Forums Latest Members

Search for the Oldest Longines - 183. The historically important transitional Comptoir AA4 made 1867

  1. Syrte MWR Tech Support Dept Nov 6, 2018

    Posts
    7,508
    Likes
    21,109
    Jerseyhammer likes this.
  2. Darlinboy Pratts! Will I B******S!!! Nov 6, 2018

    Posts
    8,741
    Likes
    69,204
    Great info! Thank you @Seiji for this. :thumbsup:
     
    Seiji likes this.
  3. Seiji Nov 6, 2018

    Posts
    1,345
    Likes
    2,870
    It was invoiced on October 23, 1867. We authenticated and shot the film on October 23, 2018. Exactly 151 years on the nose!
     
  4. dodo44 Nov 6, 2018

    Posts
    242
    Likes
    268
    When I woke up with a message in my mailbox with the title "A collector finds the oldest Longines watch known to date, a historical discovery for the brand", I knew what this was about. Congratulations to you Seiji and the heritage team for this wonderful discovery! That made my day.
     
    divetime, Seiji and Syrte like this.
  5. Seiji Nov 6, 2018

    Posts
    1,345
    Likes
    2,870
    Dodo, that says a lot about you. You're on Longines special list
     
  6. river rat Nov 6, 2018

    Posts
    991
    Likes
    5,116
    Cool write up on a early Longines. The movement a cylinder escapement. Link about this type of movement.
    http://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/blogcylinder.php
    I started collecting pocket watches when I first got into this hobby here is the only cylinder escapement movement I got made by F.L. Mathey the movement got pins holding the movement together have no idea when it was made. One difference in swiss cases the bow has a pin going through it securing it to the case us pocket watches didn't. And congrats finding this early Longines. Mine was a cheap buy years ago. What's cool about these is you can wind and set from the back on most US pocket watches of the day you wind it from the back and set from the front were the key fits on the center of the hands and turn it to set the time a pain compared to these. And most of these were unmarked like mine and yours is rare due to being marked. Also yours also have white sapphire jewels that most high quality movements US and Swiss had of the day.
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
    Edited Nov 6, 2018
    Waltesefalcon likes this.
  7. jljl123 Nov 6, 2018

    Posts
    127
    Likes
    172
    So great, love the video too, congrats on this @Seiji
     
  8. river rat Nov 6, 2018

    Posts
    991
    Likes
    5,116
    At a antique watch shop I use to go to years ago the owner told me the clear jewels were white sapphires use to learn a lot and see stuff I never seen before there that shop closed years ago.
     
    Seiji likes this.
  9. Seiji Nov 6, 2018

    Posts
    1,345
    Likes
    2,870
    Syrte has doubled my Instagram followers :) in less than half a day
     
    divetime, Pjotr1, ConElPueblo and 3 others like this.
  10. Syrte MWR Tech Support Dept Nov 6, 2018

    Posts
    7,508
    Likes
    21,109
    :D
     
    Seiji likes this.
  11. LarryG not KennyG, not OG, just LarryG Nov 6, 2018

    Posts
    992
    Likes
    3,836
    How great; congrats!
     
    Seiji likes this.
  12. Jerseyhammer Nov 8, 2018

    Posts
    1,617
    Likes
    8,638
    It’s a fascinating* story I’ve just posted£ the Longines official news blog about it
     
  13. Jerseyhammer Nov 9, 2018

    Posts
    1,617
    Likes
    8,638
    Yvw
     
  14. Fialetti Nov 20, 2018

    Posts
    251
    Likes
    309
    Seiji likes this.
  15. Seiji Nov 20, 2018

    Posts
    1,345
    Likes
    2,870
    69F1BB8A-2665-4E7D-97C3-47AA833A71A4.jpeg 30A52A9E-546C-46ED-B502-899C9F32FD43.jpeg E7738D6E-8371-49AB-ADAF-859E6116AAA4.jpeg
    089D3B90-06B0-4E5C-8444-475D06991EE6.jpeg
    Made local newspaper too. upload_2018-11-20_8-17-31.png
    2018-11-30_12-20-25.jpg
     
    Edited Nov 30, 2018
    noelekal, KingCrouchy, maanu and 3 others like this.
  16. OmegaSeeker Jul 9, 2021

    Posts
    9
    Likes
    4
    I see that 347 has been found. Seller on online auction has listed it. Also appears to be an AA4 Francillon like yours
     
    Seiji likes this.
  17. Diana34 Jul 12, 2021

    Posts
    16
    Likes
    17
    I m wondering that case number (347) and movement number (3223) are different on this one as shown on the pictures in the description. Is it possible that movement and case do not belong together? All other early watches seem to have idebtical numbers?

    Bildschirmfoto 2021-07-12 um 09.17.21.png Bildschirmfoto 2021-07-12 um 09.16.51.png Bildschirmfoto 2021-07-12 um 09.16.43.png
     
    Syrte, Seiji and DirtyDozen12 like this.
  18. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Jul 12, 2021

    Posts
    2,707
    Likes
    4,662
    I had the same questions and asked the seller if he had received an extract from Longines' archive, unfortunately not.

    According to the style, the case is not obviously incorrect. Below is the cuvette of another AA4 (left) beside the cuvette of the watch in question (right).

    AA4 cuvette comparison.JPG

    Furthermore, the condition of the movement, dial, and hands does not seem to suggest a difficult life in which they were without a case for some period of time. Apart from a missing regulator arm, the movement looks to be in good condition. The dial might have a few hairlines but the edge is in very good condition. At least the hour and minute hands seem to be stylistically correct. Below is another AA4 (left) beside the watch in question (right).

    AA4 hand comparison.JPG

    I do not know why the mismatched case and movement numbers but I am inclined to believe that the serial number is 3223, as seen on the dial side of the movement. Below are photos of another early Longines with multiple numbers on the case. The number that turned out to be the serial number (as per Longines' archive) was the one that matched the number on the dial side of the movement. In other words, I believe that the number on the dial side of the movement should take precedence over any case numbers and be taken as the serial number of the watch.

    case.JPG mov2.JPG
     
    Diana34, Syrte and divetime like this.
  19. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Jul 12, 2021

    Posts
    2,707
    Likes
    4,662
    P.S. I only referred to one instance of this but there are countless more.
     
  20. Seiji Jul 13, 2021

    Posts
    1,345
    Likes
    2,870
    3166 and 3223 share same movement number and logo positions on bridge. The movement is many years newer than the case.
     
    Vitezi, Diana34 and divetime like this.