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janice&fred
·Black dialled Omegas are a mine-field even for experienced collectors.
Finding an original one in good condition is quite rare.
one of ours from the early 60's, albeit with a replacement crown.
Seamasters and Constellations value, market development and discussion
one of ours from the early 60's, albeit with a replacement crown.
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JwRosenthal
·And I think it also need stating- there is nothing wrong with buying a redialed watch if it was done well and you know going in that it’s a redial- and it was priced accordingly. One of my first Omega purchasss was a stunning stainless 1958/59 Seamaster with two tone dial and gold hands/indices. It was a redial, I didn’t know know that when I bought it (newbie tax). But even members here said it was a well done redial.
Despite it being beautiful and I loved the design- I just couldn’t bond with it becuase I knew it was a redial- it is now in the possession of a friend who loves it- he isn’t concerned with the originality, he wears it because it’s beatiful.
If you can live with a redialed watch, then you may find your illusive black Deville- but don’t pay a premium for it.
Despite it being beautiful and I loved the design- I just couldn’t bond with it becuase I knew it was a redial- it is now in the possession of a friend who loves it- he isn’t concerned with the originality, he wears it because it’s beatiful.
If you can live with a redialed watch, then you may find your illusive black Deville- but don’t pay a premium for it.
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VetPsychWars
·The watches I'm "hunting" for are Seamaster DeVille date with black dial and stick hands (not a fan of dauphine hands)
and a Constellation black dial with stick hands
How interesting. I'm the exact opposite. Do not like stick hands, love dauphine.
Tom
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Dan S
·Newbies always come on the forum and say that prices are all over the place. This usually means that:
(1) They are confounding asking and selling prices
(2) They can't distinguish good watches from bad watches in terms of condition, originality, and overall desirability.
Spend a few months paying close attention to these details in the context of several hundred Seamasters, and you will be amazed that the prices now make perfect sense to you. In fact, you will occasionally see a bad watch sell for too much, and identify shill bidding. When that happens, you will be ready to buy.
(1) They are confounding asking and selling prices
(2) They can't distinguish good watches from bad watches in terms of condition, originality, and overall desirability.
Spend a few months paying close attention to these details in the context of several hundred Seamasters, and you will be amazed that the prices now make perfect sense to you. In fact, you will occasionally see a bad watch sell for too much, and identify shill bidding. When that happens, you will be ready to buy.
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Dan S
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Absolutely. Dauphine and alpha hands add so much interest.
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cristos71
·Newbies always come on the forum and say that prices are all over the place. This usually means that:
(1) They are confounding asking and selling prices
(2) They can't distinguish good watches from bad watches in terms of condition, originality, and overall desirability.
Spend a few months paying close attention to these details in the context of several hundred Seamasters, and you will be amazed that the prices now make perfect sense to you. In fact, you will occasionally see a bad watch sell for too much, and identify shill bidding. When that happens, you will be ready to buy.
Also in the context of 1950's and 60's Seamasters and Constellations there are a huge amount of different references, many of which were available with different case materials and multiple dial options. Some of these variations are way, way more sought after than others and as such can command prices often multiples higher than the same ref with a more simple 'vanilla' flavour
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Hammond123
·Newbies always come on the forum and say that prices are all over the place. This usually means that:
(1) They are confounding asking and selling prices
(2) They can't distinguish good watches from bad watches in terms of condition, originality, and overall desirability.
Spend a few months paying close attention to these details in the context of several hundred Seamasters, and you will be amazed that the prices now make perfect sense to you. In fact, you will occasionally see a bad watch sell for too much, and identify shill bidding. When that happens, you will be ready to buy.
Thank you for your comment. I understand that perfectly well, and respectfully disagree with you (in my case). I am a collector of other things completly unrelated to watches. My point was that as a newbie you are initially presented with a market that primarly consists of watches with a significantly higher price than suggested here (even the really really bad ones). I needed some elaboration on if this was do to market developments
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Dan S
·Thank you for your comment. I understand that perfectly well, and respectfully disagree with you. I am a collector of other things completly unrelated to watches. My point was that as a newbie you are initially presented with a market that primarly consists of watches with a significantly higher price than suggested here (even the really really bad ones). I needed some elaboration on this fact
We are making the same point. The prices you are seeing are higher because you are looking at asking prices, and likely from dealers. The experienced collectors on this forum are very patient and aware of fair market value. So they wait to buy pieces from other collectors or at no-reserve auctions.
For that reason, if someone asks us about a price from a dealer, it usually seems quite high to us. However, dealers need to make a profit, and they stand behind their watches (at least good dealers). So as a newbie you may want to pay extra to buy a watch from a respected dealer. I would still post photos here to have the watch vetted.
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Hammond123
·We are making the same point. The prices you are seeing are higher because you are looking at asking prices, and likely from dealers. The experienced collectors on this forum are very patient and aware of fair market value. So they wait to buy pieces from other collectors or at no-reserve auctions.
Alright, yes that is true. Thank you for your advice
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