SeaMaster Constellation

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Yes - the person handling the watch can move it around and check to see if the ink has depth to it.

Thanks. But can you elaborate just a bit? depth in ink proof of originality?
 
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Thanks. But can you elaborate just a bit? depth in ink proof of originality?

I'll use MPWATCH's picture again:



See how the ink is 3 dimensional and not flat? Depth means it's more likely to be original. Flat usually means a redial. This isn't a hard & fast rule for all dials, particularly very old ones, but it's safe to use in general.

Here's a shot of my Breitling where you can see the same kind of 3D inking:

 
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I remember seeing one on eBay years ago as well. Maybe Desmond can shed some light here 馃榾 @mondodec
 
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I remember seeing one on eBay years ago as well. Maybe Desmond can shed some light here 馃榾 @mondodec
Nothing to do now but wait and pray
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Really? I mean, even if I wanted to, Toyota would never ever put 'Starlet' and 'Prado' on the same car, even if I paid them handsomely.
Might think it differs of course with 'specials' like Turler or the pic of a Sjiek for the Omega dials.

Curious as to were those thin lines will be / would have been: what would still have been acceptable for Omega...
Again: unlikely that this will fall within their 'acceptable' brackets.

My2Ksh
Not sure how familiar you are with Omega, but have you heard of Seamaster and Speedmaster on the same watch?
 
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Not sure how familiar you are with Omega, but have you heard of Seamaster and Speedmaster on the same watch?

On the same dial? Or Speedmaster on the dial in a Seamaster case with the hippocampus logo on the back?
 
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On the same dial? Or Speedmaster on the dial in a Seamaster case with the hippocampus logo on the back?
It's the latter, with Speedmaster reference number.
 
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It's the latter, with Speedmaster reference number.

Right, NOT both names on the same dial.

Now, if you had used the Seamaster Gen猫ve 166.002 as an example I wouldn't have said a thing because that's a confirmed reference from Omega that could have both series' names on the same dial. 馃槈
 
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Really? I mean, even if I wanted to, Toyota would never ever put 'Starlet' and 'Prado' on the same car, even if I paid them handsomely.
Might think it differs of course with 'specials' like Turler or the pic of a Sjiek for the Omega dials.

Curious as to were those thin lines will be / would have been: what would still have been acceptable for Omega...
Again: unlikely that this will fall within their 'acceptable' brackets.

My2Ksh
Well Omega is not Toyota. As Dennis mention above..... there is Seamaster Geneve....and famous Seamaster Deville. Before 80's things not as rigid as after that. Global watch manufaturer in the past also have their regional version due to local regulation etc such as South American version, US version, French version, Portugese version etc.Usually for gold case version.
It would not be impossible to guess there might be Asian version as well. Both for the case and the dial.
Probably the order was too small to record in AJTT
 
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Well Omega is not Toyota. As Dennis mention above..... there is Seamaster Geneve....and famous Seamaster Deville. Before 80's things not as rigid as after that. Global watch manufaturer in the past also have their regional version due to local regulation etc such as South American version, US version, French version, Portugese version etc.Usually for gold case version.
It would not be impossible to guess there might be Asian version as well. Both for the case and the dial.
Probably the order was too small to record in AJTT

And don't forget that Norman Morris (US agent for Omega) put DE LUXE on some gold Seamasters in the late 50's. @kyle L has a photo of one of them.

I'm going to stick with the watch being delivered to the Asian / Indonesian market and then having the text below the pinion added.
 
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My grandfather's Seamaster Deluxe (a Norman Morris special). Dial is original, crown was since corrected.

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And don't forget that Norman Morris (US agent for Omega) put DE LUXE on some gold Seamasters in the late 50's. @kyle L has a photo of one of them.

I'm going to stick with the watch being delivered to the Asian / Indonesian market and then having the text below the pinion added.
 
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have you heard of Seamaster and Speedmaster on the same watch?
On the same dial?
Right, NOT both names on the same dial.

Must be me, not speaking English as my first language.
What I meant to say is that I highly question(ed) @Privateday7 's assumption that Omega would in any case put two names on the same dail.
I think Omega would most certainly not.

Nor would Toyota put the two model-names I took as an example, on the same car.

Having said that, Omega has shown over the years / and/or some watches have surfaced -with everyone stating that things are legit, like the Turler- added markings on the dail.
Just made me wonder where the boundaries of Omega would lie in such cases. I might have asked such a question in the 'Open Discussion' part of the Forum..:whipped:

Not meaning to state that this double marking of the OP would be an original one.
C'mon guys..... look at my previous postings...... Hold your horses.

Not sure how familiar you are with Omega
Must be some kind of Christmas stress on your part...... 馃槣

My2Ksh
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Must be me, not speaking English as my first language.
What I meant to say is that I highly question(ed) @Privateday7 's assumption that Omega would in any case put two names on the same dail.
I think Omega would most certainly not.

Nor would Toyota put the two model-names I took as an example, on the same car.

Having said that, Omega has shown over the years / and/or some watches have surfaced -with everyone stating that things are legit, like the Turler- added markings on the dail.
Just made me wonder where the boundaries of Omega would lie in such cases. I might have asked such a question in the 'Open Discussion' part of the Forum..:whipped:

Not meaning to state that this double marking of the OP would be an original one.
C'mon guys..... look at my previous postings...... Hold your horses.


Must be some kind of Christmas stress on your part...... 馃槣

My2Ksh
Willem
Now I'm not sure what you were trying to say, but Merry Christmas regardless.
 
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Right, NOT both names on the same dial.
I did not say on the same dial, I said on the same watch. The Seamaster/Speedmaster is a more obscured and therefore more surprising occurrence of dual-model named Omega than the more well known Seamaster Geneve or Seamaster De Ville. Those S/G and S/D were past models, but there still exist at present some replacement casebacks for the Speedmaster Mk II bearing Seamaster engraving.
 
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The dials actually have different indices, I think the one thing in common with them all is that they are coming out of, or have been through, Indonesia/Jakarta.

The early "Constellation" printing is very convincing though, especially with the double crossed t's




Do you have any more pics of that bottom leather band? Looks nice!
 
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Do you have any more pics of that bottom leather band? Looks nice!

It isn't my watch