SEAMASTER 1958- CAL 501 - NEED HELP - REDIAL

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rccbeber

·Mar 3, 2021

Hello, its been a long time im looking for a vintage watch for me. I read and researched a lot already. So i bumped into this watch, and for me it seems consistent, but im concerned about the dial that goes on the "12 hour". Anyway, whats you opinion one this one?

 

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X350 XJR

·Mar 3, 2021·Vintage Omega Aficionado

If you are referring to the double marker at 12 o'clock it is quite common for this position to be different than the other hours.

 

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rccbeber

·Mar 3, 2021

But the overall, do you think its legit? Everything ok? I'm aware that the market at 12''usually are different, but i didnt find any reference with this specific shape.

 

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Archer

·Mar 3, 2021·Omega Qualified Watchmaker

Crystal is missing the tension ring...

 

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SkunkPrince

·Mar 3, 2021

You took pictures of everything except the inside of the caseback... or whoever's selling it. In any event, that's the information we most need.

 

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seekingseaquest

·Mar 3, 2021

Could you provide a more clear photo of the markers on the dial? They sort of look like the type that would normally have a strip of radium down the middle, and that seems to be missing (and wouldn’t match the hands).

 

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ConElPueblo

·Mar 4, 2021

I believe the hands are wrong.

 

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TheDarkness

·Mar 4, 2021

I think the dial is original

 

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Rudi99

·Mar 4, 2021

Hi, I also think the hands are incorrect, as they should have an onyx inlay as the markers (appear to) do.

Good luck with your hunt!

 

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ConElPueblo

·Mar 4, 2021

Rudi99

Hi, I also think the hands are incorrect, as they should have an onyx inlay as the markers (appear to) do.

Good luck with your hunt!

The inlay is most likely radium lume. The hands are too long and lack lume to match the dial.

I can't tell if the markers have been fiddled with, but from those pictures I'd say that the dial is correct.

 

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Rudi99

·Mar 4, 2021

Ok, I stand corrected! The very darkened lume mislead me! 😒

 

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rccbeber

·Mar 4, 2021

I see your appointmens regarding the hands. It seems very common the match between the dial and hands. On the other hand i found a couple of watches from the same period with identical hands, this long. Is hard to see if the hands are friezed

Other thing to note is that the crown is from a Tissot, indicating someone worked on the watch. Despite of when produced (1958/59) Omega and Tissot were close companies i think its hard to belive the watch left the factory with the Tissot crown.

I don't know, this one really caught my attention, think is a beautiful watch. They're asking only $200

 

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Holma20

·Mar 4, 2021

Tbh I think the one you presented should be in gold caped ,
What’s the reference?
Seller could have polished the gold away

 

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Rudi99

·Mar 5, 2021

Hi @rccbeber ,

The thing about the hands is not about the lenght. If a watch has indices with no lume, the hands should also have none and vice-versa.

The watches you showed now to compare also follow this rule. If you look closely, there is no lume on the first two and there is lume on the last one.

If a watch with no lume on the dial shows hands with lume (or vice-versa), it clearly tells that someone replaced the hands in an incorrect way.

Also, just for the sake of eye-training: the watches you just showed are no good example, as the case on all of them has seen severe polishing, and the last one is a bad redial.

It is fine and we are all learning, just wanted to point that out 👍

Also, 200 might be indeed very little money for a vintage Omega watch, but in time, as you get more experienced, it might happen that you grow to dislike the watch.

This is just speculation. It is your money and if you like it, and want to wear it, it is of course your call!

Best wishes,

Rudi

 

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onlyomega94

·Mar 5, 2021

Rudi99

If a watch with no lume on the dial shows hands with lume (or vice-versa), it clearly tells that someone replaced the hands in an incorrect way.

I believe there are some exceptions to this rule of thumb (mainly only lume on the hands which still would make it possible to tell time in the dark) but they are indeed far and few in between.

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I don't know, this one really caught my attention, think is a beautiful watch. They're asking only $200

At 200 dollars the last watch is not that expensive, but the watch is severely polished, seems to be missing its tension ring and has been re-dialed. I would say it's better to keep the money, ad one or two hundred dollars more and buy a nice piece.

 

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ConElPueblo

·Mar 5, 2021

onlyomega94

I believe there are some exceptions to this rule of thumb (mainly only lume on the hands which still would make it possible to tell time in the dark) but they are indeed far and few in between.

When talking Omega it is pretty much unheard of outside of (suspected) special orders. I can think of one or two examples shown on OF where a fifties Constellation had lume on the hands, but not on the dial as the only convincing specimens.