Reproduction DON bezel

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Hi,

I'm a maker of fake bezels. I just wanted to thank you all for the lesson. My templates have been corrected and a new batch is settling as we speak.

See you on eBay!

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Seriously though, get a proper / real DON before this goes too far.

@rcs914 raises a good point about intent. Nothing wrong wifh after market if you know what you're buying.
 
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Hi,
Nothing wrong wifh after market if you know what you're buying.
Problem is they're expert fakers, getting better, and NOT telling us they're faking. I'm talking about bezels BTW. :whipped:
 
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The seller also does not accept returns or Paypal. Huge red flag right there.
 
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Sad to see that the wave of close to perfect fakes seems to enter the Omega world now With DON bezels these guys can make an unbelievable profit at low cost and kill the originals market. On the other hand: used DON bezels with believable patina should survive this fake wave - I hope...
 
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Sad to see that the wave of close to perfect fakes seems to enter the Omega world now With DON bezels these guys can make an unbelievable profit at low cost and kill the originals market. On the other hand: used DON bezels with believable patina should survive this fake wave - I hope...

Can’t wait to see the repro of mine 😁
 
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I think it's fair to name the seller here, Louka Krief from "Horare" in Paris. Selling fake inserts is one thing but to pass them off as the real thing and ask 4,000€ is something else. 🤬

Wow,...thanks for that info! Thats a double no go!
 
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Hi Here,

I'm a long time reader of this forum and not a poster, I've had a couple of deals buying here and I'm confident in saying it all went well everytime.
I am Louka Krief from HORARE and I have to say i'm pretty disgusted by OP's lack of fairness. Now that everyone has my name it is extremely easy to check that I'm not the owner of the ebay account which sells these fake bezels.
I am a victim of this person even though I didn't buy the bezel on ebay.

As it is easy to see for everyone we at HORARE are not in the business of selling spare parts, where can you see a single spare being sold by us in the past ?
That's why when we got this spare in a more global deal between dealers we decided to sell it via Chronotrader as there's no space on our website for spares.
We have always been extremely legit when it comes to watches, where can you see a comment on the internet saying that we sell fake stuff ? We've had this website for about 2 years and a half now and sold nearly a thousand watches.

Sometimes when you trust someone and the reproduction is that good (even here it raises questions) you don't spend half an hour checking a spare, especially (and that's an interesting lesson) when what you're looking for is the DON (which captures your attention obviously).

So we've decided to remove this bezel from listings, but @djmusicman you have to be fair and see the whole picture, it's way too easy going on a forum and posting comments without distinction.

I'm happy to help any fair and forward thinking person to prevent fakes by posting as many pictures as they might need for common knowledge and prevention of fakes.
 
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Thank you @iqlouq for posting. Your unfortunate experience with this bezel illustrates how reproductions are now getting so good that they slip past even watch professionals and serves as another caution that we need to be doubly careful. Please post more photos of the bezel to help inform us.
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Hi all,
I’m lucky enough to own several Speedmasters with DON, DNN and even a couple of BASE 1000 bezels.
I will be taking new photos of them all, ensuring that the date code is embedded in the photo information. Hopefully, this will be proof enough that the bezels existed before these and future ‘ultra accurate’ repro’s come to market.
 
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Hi Here,

I'm a long time reader of this forum and not a poster, I've had a couple of deals buying here and I'm confident in saying it all went well everytime.
I am Louka Krief from HORARE and I have to say i'm pretty disgusted by OP's lack of fairness. Now that everyone has my name it is extremely easy to check that I'm not the owner of the ebay account which sells these fake bezels.
I am a victim of this person even though I didn't buy the bezel on ebay.

As it is easy to see for everyone we at HORARE are not in the business of selling spare parts, where can you see a single spare being sold by us in the past ?
That's why when we got this spare in a more global deal between dealers we decided to sell it via Chronotrader as there's no space on our website for spares.
We have always been extremely legit when it comes to watches, where can you see a comment on the internet saying that we sell fake stuff ? We've had this website for about 2 years and a half now and sold nearly a thousand watches.

Sometimes when you trust someone and the reproduction is that good (even here it raises questions) you don't spend half an hour checking a spare, especially (and that's an interesting lesson) when what you're looking for is the DON (which captures your attention obviously).

So we've decided to remove this bezel from listings, but @djmusicman you have to be fair and see the whole picture, it's way too easy going on a forum and posting comments without distinction.

I'm happy to help any fair and forward thinking person to prevent fakes by posting as many pictures as they might need for common knowledge and prevention of fakes.
I'm confused... how did the OP lack fairness, and why are you disgusted by it? Didn't he just help you discover that a very highly priced bezel was a fake, and shouldn't you be very happy that you didn't sell it to an unsuspecting customer? Or did I miss something?

Where/who did you get the bezel from?
 
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So ghost bezels FTW?

I’m sure the fake manufacturers are hard at work perfecting ghost bezels as well. Imagine, a fake bezel that’s been through a ghosting process will seem even more legit.

Scary times to buy bezels it seems
 
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Perhaps this is the time for Omega to supply them as new?
 
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I'm confused... how did the OP lack fairness, and why are you disgusted by it? Didn't he just help you discover that a very highly priced bezel was a fake, and shouldn't you be very happy that you didn't sell it to an unsuspecting customer? Or did I miss something?

Where/who did you get the bezel from?

Simply because accusing someone on the internet leaves permanent marks, it takes years and months of effort to build a good reputation and one post can cause great damage to it.
If we had been selling fakes knowingly than I think it is completely fair from OP to raise a red flag, in this particular case we made an honest mistake, that's why I think this lacks fairness.
But we have discussed this matter privately with OP and I think he understood this point of view since he edited his post with our name.
And of course I thanked him for pointing it out.
 
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I will not disclose where I got this from because I know the dealer who sold it to me has also probably been fooled by this bezel and is not the kind of person to sell and even less create fakes.
Internet is not a great denounciating tool in my opinion, and unless I'm 100% sure of who is the forger I will not jeopardize serious people's reputation.

Will post the HD picture tomorrow when I'll be back at the office.
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Simply because accusing someone on the internet leaves permanent marks, it takes years and months of effort to build a good reputation and one post can cause great damage to it.
If we had been selling fakes knowingly than I think it is completely fair from OP to raise a red flag, in this particular case we made an honest mistake, that's why I think this lacks fairness.
But we have discussed this matter privately with OP and I think he understood this point of view since he edited his post with our name.
And of course I thanked him for pointing it out.
I never saw the OP accuse anyone of anything. He just asked us if it was genuine or not.

I will not disclose where I got this from because I know the dealer who sold it to me has also probably been fooled by this bezel and is not the kind of person to sell and even less create fakes.
Internet is not a great denounciating tool in my opinion, and unless I'm 100% sure of who is the forger I will not jeopardize serious people's reputation.
I figured you wouldn't. I'm not out to start a witch-hunt, but whoever you bought it from is closer upstream to the presumed forger. That seller could be (knowingly or unknowingly) selling more of these fakes, and I certainly don't want to be the one buying them. Frankly, I'm less likely to buy from you not because you accidentally were selling a bezel that nearly fooled many of us also - but I am less likely to buy from you when your goal does not appear to be complete transparency.

That issue aside, you said "I'm happy to help any fair and forward thinking person to prevent fakes by posting as many pictures as they might need for common knowledge and prevention of fakes."... It seems like you should start doing that. So far you haven't done much to help anyone, except trying to absolve yourself and protecting the other party/parties selling fakes. No offense intended, just speaking my mind.
 
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The only thing I know is that the person whom I got it from is a trustworthy person that was as surprised as me.Dead Link/roverimp/1/710-53481-19255-0/1?pub=5574889051&toolid=10001&campid=5337239012&mpt=964447

Is certainly much closer to the source considering this account only sells Omega speedmaster bezels.
The phone number is on the listing....

I never saw the OP accuse anyone of anything. He just asked us if it was genuine or not.

"I think it's fair to name the seller here, Louka Krief from "Horare" in Paris. Selling fake inserts is one thing but to pass them off as the real thing and ask 4,000€ is something else. 🤬"

You must have reading issues.
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"I think it's fair to name the seller here, Louka Krief from "Horare" in Paris. Selling fake inserts is one thing but to pass them off as the real thing and ask 4,000€ is something else. 🤬"

You must have reading issues.
Yeah I missed that. The irony that you would insult me over not noticing something that has been edited it out, when you're only here to try absolve yourself of not noticing that you were selling a fake bezel is not lost on me...

Still, would love for you to help out the community as much as you're able. Regardless, I don't think you and I will be having business dealings in our future, so I will let the rest of the community who knows more about DON's than I do anyways take it from here.
 
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Of course I'm trying to defend myself, I am accused so why wouldn't I ? Moreover I completely admitted my fault. But I feel we won't progress much so let's move on to more interesting informations such as a message I read earlier saying that it's easy to spot from behind.

I never really paid attention to the back of these bezels even though I've had a few in my hands, so how should they be and how this fake is different than the legit ones ?