Replace a manual 611 movement with a comparable automatic movement?

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I have a vintage Seamaster 600 date (136.011) with it's original cal 611 manual movement. Is there a comparable automatic movement from that era which it could be swapped out for without any real modification? Maybe a 565? I'm spitballing here and could use some expertise!
 
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I think it's a crazy idea to make a frankenwatch. Sell the manual wind and buy an automatic.
 
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I think it's a crazy idea to make a frankenwatch. Sell the manual wind and buy an automatic.

i totally agree with the above…this endeavor seems counterintuitive.

However, to answer your question: A 565 may fit the dial but it very likely will not fit the case. Most of the manual wind cases (with a few dual referenced exceptions) don’t build in enough clearance for the thicker automatic movement. From what I recall of the SM 600 case, an automatic movement will not fit.

Personally, I wouldn’t recommend you attempt this.
 
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So many cases have been scrapped for their metal content. Seems to be a shame to mix things up.

-j
 
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Sell this watch and buy an automatic, do not mix watches.
 
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Even though this is all sound advice I have to admit that I've had the same idea.... I love my manual Seamaster and it has special meaning to me, I just sometimes wish it was automatic. Of course, I wouldn't want a donor to have to scrap things from but it would be nice to know what movement to look out for in case one turns up so that if it does, bam, I'm on it. Never going to sell this watch anyway so what harm could there be?
 
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Even though this is all sound advice I have to admit that I've had the same idea.... I love my manual Seamaster and it has special meaning to me, I just sometimes wish it was automatic. Of course, I wouldn't want a donor to have to scrap things from but it would be nice to know what movement to look out for in case one turns up so that if it does, bam, I'm on it. Never going to sell this watch anyway so what harm could there be?

Exactly. I'm never going to sell it, it's for my pleasure only.
 
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I love manual wind watches over all others. Makes me feel needed to wind a watch as part of a morning ritual. If that is watch nerdy-ness extremism then so be it.

There's no good reason to cobble together a half baked watch if an automatic is deemed necessary. Obtain satisfaction through acquisition of a good vintage automatic watch. It's a better use of money and both watches wll thank you.
 
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It's a better use of money and both watches wll thank you.

Or will they? Since two watches would then be worn half the time that one of them would that means the other one would have to spend an unreasonable amount of time crying itself to sleep unworn in some drawer.

Also, I personally feel that there would not really be any cobbling or half baking involved, just getting what one wants.

However, I do think your argument for manual watches is pretty damn good and warrants some serious rethinking so perhaps, and for that reason only, the manual will stay manual then....
 
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Or will they? Since two watches would then be worn half the time that one of them would that means the other one would have to spend an unreasonable amount of time crying itself to sleep unworn in some drawer.
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if not two why not ten. If not 10 why not 100, 1000 might be a bit much (I have never counted.) As I have noted elsewhere it is not difficult to start a watch breeding farm.

Most of the watches we will get (unless lucky enough to afford a new one.) will have had a prior owner and a history. When I look at boxes of scrapped movements I think these were once shiny and complete. Displayed in a fancy store. Were these ladies movements a gift or a reward. The owner must have been proud of them. While ladies watches are somewhat ephemeral, gents watches were meant to last, to be passed onto the next generation.

The idea of the disposable drugstore watch was a real game changer in the late 1950s early 1960s. Such should not reflect on the treatment of the old war horses, which could easly last a few centuries. Predicting the future only leads to misery (just ask Cassandra.) So we can not predict what will or will not be acceptable. (Back in the 1990s collectors wanted repainted dials. Now that practice is frowned upon.)

This is turn makes us only caretakers. Even if we have certain watches were there is no intention or intent of selling. I have my favorites which I wear and have no plans to part with. Others sit lonely in the box waiting for their chance to once again become whole and see the sun and use once more.

-j
 
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if not two why not ten. If not 10 why not 100, 1000 might be a bit much (I have never counted.) As I have noted elsewhere it is not difficult to start a watch breeding farm.

Most of the watches we will get (unless lucky enough to afford a new one.) will have had a prior owner and a history. When I look at boxes of scrapped movements I think these were once shiny and complete. Displayed in a fancy store. Were these ladies movements a gift or a reward. The owner must have been proud of them. While ladies watches are somewhat ephemeral, gents watches were meant to last, to be passed onto the next generation.

The idea of the disposable drugstore watch was a real game changer in the late 1950s early 1960s. Such should not reflect on the treatment of the old war horses, which could easly last a few centuries. Predicting the future only leads to misery (just ask Cassandra.) So we can not predict what will or will not be acceptable. (Back in the 1990s collectors wanted repainted dials. Now that practice is frowned upon.)

This is turn makes us only caretakers. Even if we have certain watches were there is no intention or intent of selling. I have my favorites which I wear and have no plans to part with. Others sit lonely in the box waiting for their chance to once again become whole and see the sun and use once more.

-j

You sir, are a romantic. I cannot but tip my hat.
 
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Or will they? Since two watches would then be worn half the time that one of them would that means the other one would have to spend an unreasonable amount of time crying itself to sleep unworn in some drawer.
Then you must get companion watches so they don't get lonely. Problem solved, you're welcome.😁
 
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I think it's a crazy idea to make a frankenwatch. Sell the manual wind and buy an automatic.

So in typical innerweb forum style, instead of 1) answering the question or 2) not saying anything and simply moving along....80% of you chose to uselessly chime in with your $0.02 that I didn't ask for or need. Kewl...

At the end of the day I have a rare dial and I wanted to put it to better use on an automatic. I suppose a better question would have been, "What movements will accept the dial of a 611?" That's it, that's all. But you all probably would have chastised me for that too all while refusing to answer the question. ::facepalm1:: 611s are a dime a dozen so I'm not ruining history. I have plenty of other all original pieces laying around to impress the great grand children with one day 🙄
 
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So in typical innerweb forum style, instead of 1) answering the question or 2) not saying anything and simply moving along....80% of you chose to uselessly chime in with your $0.02 that I didn't ask for or need. Kewl...

Another satisfied customer.
 
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Well a simple search of material houses or ebay will source the technical data sheets like Essinger. Some times it does take a bit of search savy as, most of us are not mind readers.

Many calibers use a non automatic base caliber. These data sheets will indicate what these differences are. Otherwise one has to do the old trial and error and see if the dial feet line up and the dial is not too large or too small.

Most of us in the 80% probably do feel that this is putting lipstick on a koala bear. I think the old hot rodders in the 1950s would do this with cars. Earlier in this century steampunks were destroying these watches, until someone said hey wait a moment...

-j
 
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So in typical innerweb forum style, instead of 1) answering the question or 2) not saying anything and simply moving along....80% of you chose to uselessly chime in with your $0.02 that I didn't ask for or need. Kewl...

At the end of the day I have a rare dial and I wanted to put it to better use on an automatic. I suppose a better question would have been, "What movements will accept the dial of a 611?" That's it, that's all. But you all probably would have chastised me for that too all while refusing to answer the question. ::facepalm1:: 611s are a dime a dozen so I'm not ruining history. I have plenty of other all original pieces laying around to impress the great grand children with one day 🙄

Stick a quartz movement in it!
 
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So in typical innerweb forum style, instead of 1) answering the question or 2) not saying anything and simply moving along....80% of you chose to uselessly chime in with your $0.02 that I didn't ask for or need. Kewl...

At the end of the day I have a rare dial and I wanted to put it to better use on an automatic. I suppose a better question would have been, "What movements will accept the dial of a 611?" That's it, that's all. But you all probably would have chastised me for that too all while refusing to answer the question. ::facepalm1:: 611s are a dime a dozen so I'm not ruining history. I have plenty of other all original pieces laying around to impress the great grand children with one day 🙄

I think @masteroftime answered your original question.
The 611 case may not accommodate a thicker automatic movt.

However, despite your indignation, I’m firmly in the ‘leave the watch alone’ camp.
You say that 611s are common but that you have a rare dial, so your watch isn’t at all common.

It’s nothing against you personally but essentially, you’ve asked a question of a bunch of seriously dedicated collectors who ( in the majority) prize originality above all else.
Collectors who value a watch for what it is rather than what we can do to it.

Hence the horror at you suggesting butchering your watch.
 
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I have a vintage Seamaster 600 date (136.011) with it's original cal 611 manual movement. Is there a comparable automatic movement from that era which it could be swapped out for without any real modification? Maybe a 565? I'm spitballing here and could use some expertise!

Many of the 500 series use the base caliber derived from the 600 series, the front of the plate is very similar, so with some research and testing you could find an automatic movement.

I have a vintage Seamaster 600 date (136.011) with it's original cal 611 manual movement. Is there a comparable automatic movement from that era which it could be swapped out for without any real modification? Maybe a 565? I'm spitballing here and could use some expertise!

No.

And from my point of view, I wouldn't do it. If your current watch has a rare dial, it has value in its current configuration, altering that changes the value to almost nothing except as a parts watch.