Recent Omega Negativity

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Agree on the thickness issue. I do find my neo vintage SMP (11.5mm thickness) much more comfortable to wear compared to my Cal 8500 AT (12.8mm thickness). The AT bracelet is also a lot heavier. My understanding is that the thickness issue is more to do with an aesthetic decision on Omega's part rather than the actual thickness of the co-axial movements. There was a thread here on Omega forums where @Archer gave some dimensions of co-axial movements vs their Rolex counterparts, and there wasn't all that much difference in thickness.
Thickness probably due to Omega moving to display caseback. I think the 3861 slimmed down the Speedmaster because the need for the antimagnetic metal shield piece on the caseback is no longer needed
 
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Watching some of these WatchTubers' criticisms and reading some of the comments in their vids does make me wonder if what they're really wanting is for Omega to copy Rolex. Tapered bracelets, smaller catalogue and "more consistent design language", no HEV or scalloped bezel on the SMP, thinner watches etc. If Omega did all these things, would they then go for an Omega over a Rolex?

I'd tell them to go buy a Rolex. Oh wait, you can't.
 
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Agree on the thickness issue. I do find my neo vintage SMP (11.5mm thickness) much more comfortable to wear compared to my Cal 8500 AT (12.8mm thickness). The AT bracelet is also a lot heavier. My understanding is that the thickness issue is more to do with an aesthetic decision on Omega's part rather than the actual thickness of the co-axial movements. There was a thread here on Omega forums where @Archer gave some dimensions of co-axial movements vs their Rolex counterparts, and there wasn't all that much difference in thickness.
I really don't think there's much difference between the 8800 and 1120, for example. It's design choice or a culmination of other things to arrive at the ceramic SMP thickness.
 
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I don't want a Rolex clone. I like Omega, I like the SMP, Speedmaster, and I hope to get an Aqua Terra. I'd only wish for a sword handed SMP on a tapered sport bracelet with more aluminum components vs. ceramic. Maybe that would shut the "if only it were thinner" and "ditch the old man, non-tapering bracelet" folks up.
 
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I don't have a problem with similarities to the Rolex Sub and/or Sub Date. It is a classic. We can admit this.

Unfortunately everyone has one, so it is also boring/unimaginative. However, no one complains about its size, its thickness, nor the bracelet.

While I love my SMP 300 Diver (the recent no date version), at 42mm it is large (and thick). Also the mesh bracelet is not "sports watch" functional diminishing its use as a true diver .

I would love to see the SMP 300 Diver in a smaller/slimmer case with a bracelet that looks like an Oyster with a state-of-the-art adjustable clasp. It would maintain the Omega-centric design cues like the lyre lugs, the HE valve, exhibition caseback, and the aluminum wave dial, but could/would be a more worthy adversary to the Rolex Sub.

Just my opinion, but Omega does need to pick the low lying fruit.
 
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it's always easy to pick on the guy who is down....having said that, I think the biggest impact why Omega lost ranking is the increase of their prices.....look at the other four above them.....the clientele that they cater to can absorb the higher prices vs Omega's target buyer.....

As for the sharpness of the 3861 Speedy....the nixon bracelet does have hot spots when you put it on and as it moves around when you are wearing it on your wrist.....does it cut me...no....does it leave scratch marks....no....but it is not silky smooth like a Rolex........I only have an oyster bracelet to compare to....perhaps those who have models with Jubilee bracelets can chime in if the wearing experience is the same as the 3861 nixon bracelet....
 
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I've never understood the "catalog is too large" complaint. As buyers, more choices = good. You aren't required to buy every watch that is made. But if you are an AD I can see where a large catalog becomes an issue. I'm not an AD though, so....good for me.
This discussion had me go to the Omega website and look at their catalogue and in my opinion, it is too large. My reasoning is the following:

1. While Omega does make some classics, they also make a lot of seriously Fugly watches. I can't imagine who these models sell to, however, if/when that happens, I am sure it is at a substantial discount. This cheapens the brand and overall perception.

2. Model lines should be unique. For example chronos should be unique to one model line (Speedmaster) and this complication should not be in their diver model line (Seamaster). Seeing a diving watch with a chrono function screams poseur. Omega should not be all things to all people.
It is worth noting Rolex arranges their models in this way and it makes their models lines more distinctive and less confusing.

3. Too many sports models in the 42mm-44+mm range and not enough in the 38mm-40mm range.

4. Design language issues. Some watches have hands with a plain minute hand and a broad arrow hour hand, some watches have the opposite. Some have hands with both broad arrows. There is no consistency and if you ask why there is no historically answer. The watches look dated, not iconic. Personally, this inconsistency is why I would never buy and Aquaterra, Railmaster, or Heritage Seamaster

5. Some watchmakers do a nice job with two-tone watches (Rolex/Cartier/Patek), Omega isn't one of them.

Curating the catalogue is lying fruit, as would be coming out with better bracelets.

Just my opinion. I think Omega does a few things really well, and a lot of things very mediocre.

YMMV
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2. Model lines should be unique. For example chronos should be unique to one model line (Speedmaster) and this complication should not be in their diver model line (Seamaster).

THIS one I'll disagree with. The Seamaster chronographs are amazing, and completely different than the Speedmaster. It is a very useful complication, and wears completely differently.

And the fact that the Seamaster Chrono not ONLY has a 300m depth rating, but it is ALSO a chronograph you can actually use at 300m makes an an absolutely unique complication.
 
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Another thing I will add it that Omega make a pretty nice men's dress watch but far too many variants.

The Seamaster line has over 100 choices btwn its Aquaterra and Heritage models
The DeVille line has over 100 choices btwn its Tresor and Prestige models
And the Constellation line has almost 100 choices btwn their Globemaster and Constellation models.

Personally, I think they could get away with only having the Tresor (manual wind) and Globemaster (automatic) dress watch lines and call it good.
 
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THIS one I'll disagree with. The Seamaster chronographs are amazing, and completely different than the Speedmaster. It is a very useful complication, and wears completely differently.

And the fact that the Seamaster Chrono not ONLY has a 300m depth rating, but it is ALSO a chronograph you can actually use at 300m makes an an absolutely unique complication.
But again, how many of these do they sell and at what price? I bet most of the ones sold to end customers sold at a large discount which cheapens the brand's value and not just that one watch's value.
 
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But again, how many of these do they sell and at what price? I bet most of the ones sold to end customers sold at a large discount which cheapens the brand's value and not just that one watch's value.

More than Rolex sells SS Daytonas I'll bet 😁 In seriousness, my OB guy says the Chrono Seamasters aren't quite as popular as the SM, but better than quite a few other models.
 
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1. While Omega does make some classics, they also make a lot of seriously Fugly watches. I can't imagine who these models sell to....

2. Model lines should be unique......It is worth noting Rolex arranges their models in this way and it makes their models lines more distinctive and less confusing.

4. Design language issues....

5. Some watchmakers do a nice job with two-tone watches (Rolex/Cartier/Patek), Omega isn't one of them.
Rolex actually does have a few beers Omega can hold. Here's but one of them.😉

 
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Rolex actually does have a few beers Omega can hold. Here's but one of them.😉

Were you able to buy this at a discount?
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Where you able to buy this at a discount?
Discount? Hahaha! For this total P.O.S.? Even free is a rip-off.
 
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More than Rolex sells SS Daytonas I'll bet 😁 In seriousness, my OB guy says the Chrono Seamasters aren't quite as popular as the SM, but better than quite a few other models.
I've seen one SS Daytona out in the wild but never seen a chrono Seamaster. Also seen a lot more Subs over SMP's.
 
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I've seen one SS Daytona out in the wild but never seen a chrono Seamaster. Also seen a lot more Subs over SMP's.
I've a different experience: I've seen 2-3 Seamaster Chronos, about equal Sub-vs-SMPs (and honestly, more Seikos/Tudors than either), and never seen a SS Daytona in the wild.

So, small sample sizes 😀
 
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Rolex actually does have a few beers Omega can hold. Here's but one of them.😉

Don't forget this one...the Zebra DJ...



Or this one - the Tiger eye series...

 
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Don't forget this one...the Zebra DJ...



Or this one - the Tiger eye series...

Of course! How could I forget these, Al? Such uncompromising examples of aesthetic loveliness. I mean, who wouldn't want to impress people with these beauties?
 
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Of course! How could I forget these, Al? Such uncompromising examples of aesthetic loveliness. I mean, who wouldn't want to impress people with these beauties?
Indeed, the height of understated design...::facepalm1::
 
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I'd tell them to go buy a Rolex. Oh wait, you can't.
Maybe some of it has it's roots in a sentiment based on the fact that Omega aren't doing Rolex things.
Only in their own Omega way.
The shaddows of the quartz crisis have been cast long and wide for Omega.