Recent Omega Negativity

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TUDOR is probably held the shortest amount of time before being resold, according to my local dealer. You can’t use Tudor as an example of a watch that doesn't depreciate while complaining that Omega has lost market share because it depreciates.

Sharp edges on Speedmasters has killed the brand? What a load of bollocks.

I have to agree with these points. Tudor.... it's still very largely viewed as the watch you get when you couldn't get a Rolex, and although some people say that about omega, it's not at all the same message. One is the substitute, the other is a competing design.

As far as sharp edges on Speedies go I haven't even seen this complaint made. I've seen people hypothesize that the new planet ocean might have sharp edges, but I've never seen this complain about a Speedmaster and I've never seen or heard any complaints about any Omega being that poorly finished.

If that's what the video amounts to I'm glad I didn't click on it.
 
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That’s a great story. Agree doubtful you would find this kind of customer care anywhere else.

I had a horror story with Tag a few years back on a brand new watch. Never again
What happened?
 
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I am glad others think this negativity thing is real.

The price issue is significant but affects brands differently.

For example, I love the new Omega Speedmaster Reverse Panda; it looks so good it is almost an impulse buy. However, I already have a 3861 sapphire sandwich that I purchased in 2023 for less than $7K ( representing about a 50% price increase over less than 3 years) for essentially the same watch. I also have a 321, so do I really want/need a 3rd Speedmaster? The right price would be a motivator; the current price is not.

At the same time, while there were up to a dozen Rolexes I wanted, the AD experience and the inability to access certain models has certainly cooled my interest in the brand. All of my Rolexes (four) have been purchased grey and I have been keen to avoid the 32xx issue. That being said, there is one (perhaps last) model I want that is only available with the 32xx movement, so it is important to me that it is purchased via AD. I have waited thru at least two price increases with no luck. It will be interesting if Rolex upgrades the 32xx movement to the new 71xx at W&W this year; this will alleviate the 32xx fears but will almost certainly add to the wait...

As I am now in my mid sixties, I am fortunate to have enough watches that I could wear a different one every day and a month could go by without wearing the same watch. However, t is possible I just get tired of waiting and the annoying price increases and just enjoy what I have.

If too many people start to feel this way, what will happen to the watch business?
What will happen is that the prices will come down. The alternative-making less profit as opposed to none at all-will be a great motivator.
 
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If that's what the video amounts to I'm glad I didn't click on it.
The guy in Venice said Omega's quality has gone down hill, evidenced by the sharp edges on the new 3861 speedy. I watched it at 2x speed and jumped through it so if I didn't understand that correctly, someone please correct me.
 
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What will happen is that the prices will come down. The alternative-making less profit as opposed to none at all-will be a great motivator.
I don't really see this happening. I think more likely prices hold steady for a few years or just do a very small increase like $100-$200 vs the 3%-5% we've been seeing. This will allow inflation to catch up to the current prices.
 
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There is nothing from Rolex that I want, except for a specific early 2000s Submariner.

Now I have to be concerned if my new Moonwatch a sharp Speedmaster? The horror! Much cheap! Very ouch!
 
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There is nothing from Rolex that I want, except for a specific early 2000s Submariner.
Interesting. I own eighteen different Omega watches and, aside from Seiko, no more than one of any other brand. I don't think there can be any doubt that Omega is my favorite watch brand. But having said that, nothing in their current catalog is of interest to me. And only one of the Omega watches that I do own was manufactured in this century (a 36mm Railmaster). I don't think I'm part of modern Omega's target market, and that's okay; there are more than enough vintage and neo-vintage pieces to keep me happy.
 
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Interesting. I own eighteen different Omega watches and, aside from Seiko, no more than one of any other brand. I don't think there can be any doubt that Omega is my favorite watch brand. But having said that, nothing in their current catalog is of interest to me. And only one of the Omega watches that I do own was manufactured in this century (a 36mm Railmaster). I don't think I'm part of modern Omega's target market, and that's okay; there are more than enough vintage and neo-vintage pieces to keep me happy.

I like Omega too. Besides some micro brands, it's the most common watch brand I own. I lean older, had a SM300 assembled, first Omega was a -69ST, bought this new Moonwatch because it's so much like that old Speedmaster, love the maligned Broad Arrow Replica, sold a newer Seamaster chronograph and ended up with a 90s one instead, and think the Peter Blake Seamaster is the pinnacle of design. The green Seamaster is probably the odd one out, but I like the cokor.
 
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Now I have to be concerned if my new Moonwatch a sharp Speedmaster? The horror! Much cheap! Very ouch!
I recall a short lived panic when a new Speedmaster was released a while back, and I think the dork in the video was one of those who were pushing the idea that they were dangerously sharp.

In the end it was another nothingburger.
 
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I recall a short lived panic when a new Speedmaster was released a while back, and I think the dork in the video was one of those who were pushing the idea that they were dangerously sharp.

In the end it was another nothingburger.
Based on the big deal he made of it (and having held one), we'd better not let that boy near a spoon....
 
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What happened?
Long story, but i bought a new 40mm Acuaracer blue dial on a cruise ship at the jewelry boutique. Felt great about the purchase and duty-free price made it very attractive. I visited the Boutique several times during the cruise duration and 1 day before the end i purchased the watch. I was treated very nicely and given a full demonstration of the watch before it was sized to my wrist and then re-boxed.

When i get home a day later and start unpacking, I pull out my new watch only to find the bezel separated from the watch face. I immediately called their customer service and was given the run around for a week before they finally asked me to bring it to a service center. They then spent a month going back and forth about the watch not being under manufacturer warranty. and they could track to dispatch order to the AD i bought it from... It was a mess

Once that gets resolved i received the watch back 2 months later and the case has new scratches all over it. A complete hack job.... They wanted to polish them out and return, after a few more weeks of fighting they finally agreed to completely refund me and accept the watch back.

That was my only new watch purchase experience
 
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As far as sharp edges on Speedies go I haven't even seen this complaint made. I've seen people hypothesize that the new planet ocean might have sharp edges, but I've never seen this complain about a Speedmaster and I've never seen or heard any complaints about any Omega being that poorly finished.

If that's what the video amounts to I'm glad I didn't click on it.
He had a whinge about the sharp(his word) edges.
It mostly was directed at the bracelet iirc, but he may have also included the head of the watch for good measure.
For context, he said it was a quality control issue and that it reflected on the brand with slipping in standards and at that price point it basically wasn't good enough.
So there it is. As if he was the sole arbiter of what's right, proper and correct.
Now i'm absolutely no fan boy. But really?
So to check it out for myself i went and tried it on. Had a bit of a feel of it all over.
And yes, they are super crisp but not "sharp".
And i was satisfied the watch was fine just as it is.
Then i put my 1861 Speedy on to leave the boutique and had a look at the watch head.
Lo and behold, it had equally crisp edges around the undeside of the midcase and lug area.
So i wrote off his comments as something that was coming from an uninmormed/inexperienced position.
Just as it is with a lot of these youtuber super critics that wouldn't know their hat from their arse. These types of comments come out of their mouths because they are trying to hold themselves out to appear as though they are watch conoseures on all levels.
Admitedly some of the production of these videos are quite engaging though.
Now it seems he's backing it up and coming at it again for some reason which seems to be justifying his comments and doubling down on the quality issue angle.
Now it's apparent to me that it's not a one off but a conscious choice by Omega to go in this direction with the edge finish.
A genuine "quality" issue would actually manifest in inconstistencies in the finishing.
Not only link to link, but from one side to the other and be not the same as the edges as those on the underside of the midcase on the 3861. But also on watches that were made years prior.
In his latest video he goes on about his beloved original Omega he's wearing and that's all good. But to double down on the quality thing when there is no sign of a quality issue per se. IMO, he's geting way ahead of himself.
But it seeming has ramifications for/reflecting on the brand in a way that is resonating somehow. Again, i'm no fanboy but this kind of thing gets under my skin a bit.

I was around in the days of the Walt Odette review. That had some level of legitimacy based on his observations of one unit.
But seriously, the only people that would ever get to see it would be a watchmaker.

Perhaps this is Omegas Walt Odette moment.
But things being as they are decades down the track now. It's comments based on personal preferences(as they typically are) do have a negative impact.
But at the end of the day, he's not any kind of an expert as a lot of these people hold themselves out to be.
I'm still getting one👍
Omega have a number of issues. Any of which are probably not cause for any kind of total collapse in sales or something. But maybe by weight of numbers😉
 
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I recall a short lived panic when a new Speedmaster was released a while back, and I think the dork in the video was one of those who were pushing the idea that they were dangerously sharp.

In the end it was another nothingburger.
Not dangerously sharp Al.
But sharp enough to flag a quality issue going on at Omega.
 
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Not dangerously sharp Al.
But sharp enough to flag a quality issue going on at Omega.
Which it wasn't.
 
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Based on the big deal he made of it (and having held one), we'd better not let that boy near a spoon....
Keep in mind this is the "Bogart watch" guy, so after all that drama I would take pretty much anything he says with a massive, mountain sized grain of salt...
 
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Keep in mind this is the "Bogart watch" guy, so after all that drama I would take pretty much anything he says with a massive, mountain sized grain of salt...
I'm not familiar with that bit of lore, so I'll have to be forgiven. That said, my eye-roll muscles get worn out less than 60 seconds into most watch influencer videos, so I likely wouldn't have seen it.
 
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Keep in mind this is the "Bogart watch" guy, so after all that drama I would take pretty much anything he says with a massive, mountain sized grain of salt...

The bogart watch guy? I (thankfully) I'm so incredibly out of the YouTube watch culture Loop that I have absolutely no idea what you are referring to.

I do think I watched one video of this guy several years ago talking about his 1120 seamasters. From that video I got the impression that his appreciation for the first generation Seamaster borders on ritual and eroticism; great if you are looking for a strong opinion but hardly any sort of reasonable or measured approach.
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Not dangerously sharp Al.
But sharp enough to flag a quality issue going on at Omega.

I'm a bit curious as to why I have not seen this particular complaint. I spend more time than I should both here and on reddit, and if it was likely to be reported anywhere I would have expected to see it there, because that community is hardly as Omega Centric as this one is.

I've handled plenty of 1861 and 3861 watches at this point and I've never noted any sort of exceptional sharpness.


It would take a pretty fantastic lack of quality control to let an error like that slip through.... to the point that it was a widespread issue as opposed to a one-time thing....
 
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IS it this one? This sounds vaguely familiar:
 
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I'm a bit curious as to why I have not seen this particular complaint. I spend more time than I should both here and on reddit, and if it was likely to be reported anywhere I would have expected to see it there, because that community is hardly as Omega Centric as this one is.

I've handled plenty of 1861 and 3861 watches at this point and I've never noted any sort of exceptional sharpness.


It would take a pretty fantastic lack of quality control to let an error like that slip through.... to the point that it was a widespread issue as opposed to a one-time thing....
We have almost a dozen people complaining about a random faint 'ting' noise in their speedmaster. The fact that this complaint hasn't really raised more than this one youtuber is... telling.