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CyberMetal
·Well, that's their opinion. I don't think there's any hidden agenda in speaking ill of a brand. You're not obligated to listen to them. I often agree and sometimes I don't.
Recent Omega Negativity
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bgrisso
·The thumbnail and titles for all those videos would make me never want to watch them 😝
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·I won't buy a 32XX Rolex due to the amplitude issue. I owned a new from the AD 2020 Datejust with a 3235 that went downhill after one year. I had it serviced under warranty and sold it. I still don't think they've truly fixed the problem. For the same reason I won't buy an Omega with a 2500B or 2500C movement anymore.
That said, I'm kind of sick of all movement issues so I've mostly transitioned over to quartz watches. Thankfully Omega has several from the 1990's-2000's era that are outstanding. I have a Bond GoldenEye SMP, a Peter Blake SMP, and 36.2mm (blue) and 38.5mm (white) Aqua Terras. I also wear a TAG Heuer 2000 (blue) on many days. All quartz. I can pluck any of the five out of my watch box and go without setting the time, wondering if they are set to the correct time, or wondering how much power reserve is left on them. I can leave them sit for days, weeks, or months and they are ready to go at a moment's notice.
That said, I'm kind of sick of all movement issues so I've mostly transitioned over to quartz watches. Thankfully Omega has several from the 1990's-2000's era that are outstanding. I have a Bond GoldenEye SMP, a Peter Blake SMP, and 36.2mm (blue) and 38.5mm (white) Aqua Terras. I also wear a TAG Heuer 2000 (blue) on many days. All quartz. I can pluck any of the five out of my watch box and go without setting the time, wondering if they are set to the correct time, or wondering how much power reserve is left on them. I can leave them sit for days, weeks, or months and they are ready to go at a moment's notice.
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dsio
··Ash @ ΩFI never watch this stuff, and I don't expect to start. Is it a YouTuber thing to put your finger on your mouth?
I can hardly imagine anything more embarrassing than being called an influencer, a YouTuber, or a Podcaster. Do people still feel it's acceptable to describe that as a career path?
Only "watch dealer" would be lower.
At the moment the focus is more on shorts but there will be more long form videos eventually
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE5R__8vUfwSps_GefwiVIcKJ_nc4ezmB&si=GBQfPU4Tws13BJDJ
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Dan S
·We’re trying to do it on a smaller scale but focused on buyer guidance, consumer protection and education rather than drama. Hopefully it works out in the longer term.
At the moment the focus is more on shorts but there will be more long form videos eventually
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE5R__8vUfwSps_GefwiVIcKJ_nc4ezmB&si=GBQfPU4Tws13BJDJ
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tjs1295
·I don't pay too much attention to the influences either, but what about the drop from 2nd to 5th these past few years? That doesn't look good, unless people are saying that report doesn't really mean anything.
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bananapeanut
·I can’t speak for other references, but I’ve always felt the Speedmaster Professional was underpriced at $5k new compared to the competition. At $8k, the pricing feels more in line with its standing in the market.
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Dan S
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It's interesting, I think there might have been another thread about this. IIRC, it seems like the watches moving upwards on the list have been mostly higher end.
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josiahg52
·I don't watch videos with a thumbnail that has a big dumb head that has a big dumb, especially shocked, face on it.
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·I don't care. The only people who should care are shareholders and employees of the Swatch Group. I'm not afraid Omega is going to go out of business.
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Valerio
·Price increases are unfortunately a constant reality across all sectors right now, not just in horology. It is natural that as MSRPs climb, the average buyer and many YouTubers start to weigh Omega against the status of Rolex or the jewelry appeal of Cartier.
However, if we look past the hype and focus strictly on the watchmaking, Omega's build quality and technical innovation remain indisputable. They are producing objectively fantastic timepieces, even if the brand occasionally leans on marketing icons like 007 to sell a lifestyle.
If I have a critique of modern Omega, it has nothing to do with market reports. It is purely personal: within their vast catalog, I increasingly notice a break from the past in the design language of certain families. While the Speedmaster maintains a historical continuity that few other brands can master, that connection feels less evident in other collections, especially if we consider the 1960s as the true Golden Age of Omega’s design.
Forgive my romanticism, but vintage Omega holds a special appeal for me. I would love to see more of that classic, understated heritage reflected in their modern lineup, rather than the more substantial and sometimes unnecessarily bulky proportions we often see today. But again, this is merely my personal perspective shared here with the community.
Ultimately, the market will do what the market does, but the strength of the brand remains intact, far beyond any short-term fluctuations.
However, if we look past the hype and focus strictly on the watchmaking, Omega's build quality and technical innovation remain indisputable. They are producing objectively fantastic timepieces, even if the brand occasionally leans on marketing icons like 007 to sell a lifestyle.
If I have a critique of modern Omega, it has nothing to do with market reports. It is purely personal: within their vast catalog, I increasingly notice a break from the past in the design language of certain families. While the Speedmaster maintains a historical continuity that few other brands can master, that connection feels less evident in other collections, especially if we consider the 1960s as the true Golden Age of Omega’s design.
Forgive my romanticism, but vintage Omega holds a special appeal for me. I would love to see more of that classic, understated heritage reflected in their modern lineup, rather than the more substantial and sometimes unnecessarily bulky proportions we often see today. But again, this is merely my personal perspective shared here with the community.
Ultimately, the market will do what the market does, but the strength of the brand remains intact, far beyond any short-term fluctuations.
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·With regard to price increases, people are overlooking the important fact that in the last five years the Swiss franc has gained 17.75% vs. the U.S. dollar, 21.4% vs. the Euro, 20.3% vs. the British pound and 28.6% vs. the Canadian dollar. While this might be a desired outcome for their economy as a whole, it creates a significant price problem for Swiss watch brands with regard to their export sales. This is not just watch companies being greedy or wanting to reposition themselves in the watch market.
For the last few years, the Swiss National Bank has made a concerted effort to strengthen the value of the Swiss franc. So the Swiss watch industry will reap the negative consequences of that policy. I know for me personally, I'm done buying new watches. Any future purchases will be directed to the pre-owned market, and especially the pre-owned market of watches more than 20 years old. If I do buy anything new it will be something cheap, like less than $500, and not Swiss.
For the last few years, the Swiss National Bank has made a concerted effort to strengthen the value of the Swiss franc. So the Swiss watch industry will reap the negative consequences of that policy. I know for me personally, I'm done buying new watches. Any future purchases will be directed to the pre-owned market, and especially the pre-owned market of watches more than 20 years old. If I do buy anything new it will be something cheap, like less than $500, and not Swiss.
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ErichPryde
··Seamasters Foreverwithin their vast catalog
I think this is the ultimate Paradox of being a luxury item - you cannot be everything to everyone. when people are truly given "Every option" of an item, they become dissatisfied. Luxury and exclusivity (and that includes an exclusivity of design), are linked. Perhaps inexplicably, but linked nonetheless.
people are overlooking the important fact that in the last five years the Swiss franc has gained 17.75% vs. the U.S. dollar, 21.4% vs. the Euro, 20.3% vs. the British pound and 28.6% vs. the Canadian dollar
I think it's generous to assume this has anything to do with overlooking this sort of information, which would imply a logical approach.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI think this is the ultimate Paradox of being a luxury item - you cannot be everything to everyone. when people are truly given "Every option" of an item, they become dissatisfied. Luxury and exclusivity (and that includes an exclusivity of design), are linked. Perhaps inexplicably, but linked nonetheless.
I've seen this same argument made for 20+ years that they make "too many models" and I get a chuckle out of every noob that comes along to state it like it's some big discovery or something that Omega just started to do...
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Mute
·I don't generally pay attention to watch youtubers, especially any that aren't actually in the watch business.
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ErichPryde
··Seamasters ForeverI've seen this same argument made for 20+ years that they make "too many models" and I get a chuckle out of every noob that comes along to state it like it's some big discovery or something that Omega just started to do
It's not an argument from me; more an observation of the way that people think about luxury items. People believe, and they believe strongly, that there is some notable difference between Rolex and Omega. They believe it so strongly that they are willing to pay significantly above MSRP specifically for Rolex versus almost any other brand on the market.
I find the philosophy of why fairly interesting to consider. I'm aware that Omega has maintained a large catalog for essentially their entire history. When I see people post this as a complaint, my observation is that they believe true luxury items should not have an extensive catalog, and they are making a distinction between Rolex and Omega on this basis. Whether or not the distinction is illogical does not make it any less of a distinction if people believe it, unfortunately.
Ultimately I believe that it comes down to a very long and effective campaign of advertising and careful messaging on rolex's part, and I'm not sure that, even if Omega tried the same tactics and did limit their catalog and made the standard Speedmaster and standard Seamaster more difficult to acquire, it would somehow work to push them further up market. People are illogical about these things, they will likely just find some other reason Rolex is still better.
Me? I don't really care whether or not they limit their catalog or not. I'll keep wearing my Seamaster.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerIt's not an argument from me; more an observation of the way that people think about luxury items.
People believe, and they believe strongly, that there is some notable difference between Rolex and Omega. They believe it so strongly that they are willing to pay significantly above MSRP specifically for Rolex versus almost any other brand on the market.
Whether or not the distinction is illogical does not make it any less of a distinction if people believe it, unfortunately.
Ultimately I believe that it comes down to a very long and effective campaign of advertising and careful messaging on rolex's part
I'm not sure that, even if Omega tried the same tactics and did limit their catalog and made the standard Speedmaster and standard Seamaster more difficult to acquire, it would somehow work to push them further up market.
Me? I don't really care whether or not they limit their catalog or not. I'll keep wearing my Seamaster.
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·I've never understood the "catalog is too large" complaint. As buyers, more choices = good. You aren't required to buy every watch that is made. But if you are an AD I can see where a large catalog becomes an issue. I'm not an AD though, so....good for me.
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Aludic
··@SpeedyBirthYearThen Morgan Stanley puts out it's annual report on the watch industry showing Omega dropping from 2nd to 5th on the sales charts, which spurred another round of negative videos.
https://revolutionwatch.com/swatch-group-responds-to-morgan-stanley-report-in-open-letter
Interesting read.
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ErichPryde
··Seamasters ForeverAs buyers, more choices = good.
Indeed... hence the "paradox."
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