Recent Omega Negativity

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I don’t get the “influencers” stuff but obviously they have a lot of sway these days as I’m always hearing about them.

Remember the good old days of celebrity chefs on traditional media? They were proto-influencers. You may well say "I never paid any attention to celebrity chefs" but an absolute shitload of people did. Now anyone can build a social media presence there are influencers in every possible niche. The platforms change but the model stays the same...

 
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I don't think this has been true since Omega embarrassed Rolex with the far superior quality original SMP bracelet. Rolex took that beating and lifted their game, no more clinky hollow bracelets for some time now.

If you want an afterthought, look at Omega's micro adjust solution compared to Rolex's, it's pretty sad. Some of Omega's clasps in recent years have been very unwieldly as well. Rolex's modern bracelets are pretty much all regarded as excellent I think?

I agree.
Then again, it's almost impossible for others to match the clasp and overall engineering of the Rolex Glidelock adjustment as it's found on the Deepsea.
 
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^^This^^

TAG is doing a nice job here and Zenith could if they just lowered their prices (I realize both are owned by LVMH, so it is possible their management is as confused as anyone).

The battle for the middle market is where the war of sustainability/relevance will be won.

Going up market in a struggling economy will be difficult to watch (witness).
I don't think there's necessarily anything "wrong" with trying to going up market. The problem is whether Omega is in the position to do so (which they don't).

Going up market will need to have demand to support and the "clout" do go with it, i.e., if Omega can create a brand prestige that people would want their watch despite not very into Omega, then they can do it. A good example is when the latest Snoopy launched - even ppl who don't pay attention to Omega wanted one. Unfortunately that's only one watch and they are also making more of them which goes against their strategy of going "up-market".

The NTTD also had some good "noise" when it first released. Full disclosure I am still wearing mine and no intention of selling, but they could've taken more advantage of this release instead of over-producing them.

On another point of their vast catalogue - I understand people who support this are saying that it is a good thing since Omega covers all bases. But the counter-point is, even if they streamline/cut away the choices, there are still plenty/ample room for a variety of Omega watches.
 
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Remember the good old days of celebrity chefs on traditional media? They were proto-influencers. You may well say "I never paid any attention to celebrity chefs" but an absolute shitload of people did. Now anyone can build a social media presence there are influencers in every possible niche. The platforms change but the model stays the same...

The model does vary though.
The problem is the prolitariat digest the stuff and regurgitate it amongst themselves.

Take the sharp bracelet thing for example.
It crops up in the most unexpected places, which demonstrates that things can gain a life all of their own.
 
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^^This^^

TAG is doing a nice job here and Zenith could if they just lowered their prices (I realize both are owned by LVMH, so it is possible their management is as confused as anyone).

The battle for the middle market is where the war of sustainability/relevance will be won.

Going up market in a struggling economy will be difficult to watch (witness).
Interesting on the observation on TAG and Zenith - in HK seems these two brands are not doing particularly well and I don't think many ppl buy from their boutiques, although I concede I didn't pay close attention to them recently.
 
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How can we make an assessment of whether or not a luxury good--- Omega--- has become "too expensive" without some sort of comparison to other luxury goods? I'm asking this as a rhetorical question almost; if the primary criticism is that Omega is too expensive, it is inherently comparitive. It is de facto impossible to call something "too expensive" unless we have a reference for what it should cost.

See that's part of the problem.
People talk and know all about the cost of things.
But they don't understand the value of anything.

Comparisons are made.
Cross shopping is carried out routinely and through that process, watching reviews and geting their dose of conformational bias or whatever it may be that they need.
Conclusions of one kind or another are reached or cemented.
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^^This^^

TAG is doing a nice job here and Zenith could if they just lowered their prices (I realize both are owned by LVMH, so it is possible their management is as confused as anyone).

The battle for the middle market is where the war of sustainability/relevance will be won.

Going up market in a struggling economy will be difficult to watch (witness).
TAG has actually been pretty amazing from an after sales customer service perspective in my experience. My nephew had a WAB2011 Aquatacer strip its crown threads and leak, they replaced the case, dial, crown, hands, and the WHOLE movement.

$575.70 AUD, which is about $400 USD and it only took about 6 weeks, (quote is attached). edit: This is from 2016 btw so 10 years ago

My other nephew needed links for a Formula 1 Quartz chrono from ~1989, they ordered them in and when I handed him my card the bloke says "don't worry, hope your nephew enjoys his watch".

A mate of mine also had a TAG Heuer Monaco V4 Platinum Limited Edition with the belt drive, linear oscillating weight movement. He bought it used for ~30k, it had a damaged crystal, some scratches, needed a new strap, and a service after a lot of years of wear. This watch is like a production prototype, from memory it was designed by some third party complication consulting firm and I don't think even @Archer would take on a weird as hell watch with a belt-drive movement.

After 3 months in Switzerland, new crystal (a very weird bespoke square sapphire unique to this case, new platinum crown, tons of new parts, new alligator strap, $3,150 AUD ($2,230 USD).

It's why when people ask for my pecking order from an ownership and after sales perspective, I still say:

LVMH > Swatch >>> Rolex > Apple >>>>> Richemont

I don't love that many TAG Heuer watches, I do love some Zenith's, Hublot does nothing for me, but they do look after their customers. I did not tell them I had anything to do with https://tagheuerforums.com (then calibre11) at the time or ask for any favours either, that was just how they treated me.

 
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TAG has actually been pretty amazing from an after sales customer service perspective in my experience.

I don't own a TAG but I like the direction they've been going lately. A mate of mine at work picked up the new green Aquaracer and I've worn it, it's really good. The sales experience was apparently really good as well, which I'd believe as they seemed eager to please when I first checked them out after they opened.

I also like that they've jumped in on Formula 1. I was disappointed at the new F1 watch though, it's priced way too high for what it is. Monumental missed opportunity to relaunch the old school fun F1 watches as a kind of a MoonSwatch thing and get a whole new generation of fans into your brand.
 
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I know you're a real person and probably just using it to organise thoughts neatly but please try not to use ChatGPT to formulate posts like that as it really reads like AI, from the sentence structure to the debate style argumentation to the emdashes.
I personally don’t have an issue with using ChtGPT to polish a response but while we’re busy worrying about a first world problem, it’s laughing maniacally like the predator about to blow up Arnie while plotting it’s strategy for world domination. Ha!
 
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I don't think this has been true since Omega embarrassed Rolex with the far superior quality original SMP bracelet. Rolex took that beating and lifted their game, no more clinky hollow bracelets for some time now.

If you want an afterthought, look at Omega's micro adjust solution compared to Rolex's, it's pretty sad. Some of Omega's clasps in recent years have been very unwieldly as well. Rolex's modern bracelets are pretty much all regarded as excellent I think

Agree about lack of micro adjustment and the hassle of bracelet sizing in general, but where's the fun without messing around with bracelet tools and half link(s)?
 
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The part about my 32xx GMT master that REALLY ground my gears:

Watch goes from dead-on for years. I go on a business trip, and realize it loses 15s, then 30s, then a minute and a half, 3 consecutive days. After that it stabilizes at about 1-2 mins/day of loss. I wear it another few weeks on/off and keep experiencing the same.

Fortunately, I have a few months of warranty work. I send it in with about a month left on my warranty. 4 months later I get a message: "Your watch is out of warranty a service is going to be expensive, are you sure you want that?". I responded with: "Um, you got it under warranty, so you'd better be fixing it under warranty". Next response: "The watch seems to be in-spec". Me: "Timegrapher says otherwise, as does a series of photographs of it on a counter after a full-wind showing that it is losing time".

They go silent for another 6 months, and finally come back with, "well, we'll do a service as a one time cOuRtEsY". A few months later, the watch returns and is running fine.

FIRST: This is clearly the 32xx problem. SECOND: they tried to tell me the watch was out of warranty (because they held it for 4 months), THEN tried to tell me that losing that much was 'normal'. THEN they refused to admit they were wrong other than "well, to shut you up we'll do it<but you're still wrong>".


OMEGA service is the absolute opposite I've found, which is why I own only 2 Rolex, and god-knows-how-many Omegas now.
Who do they think they are, AP?
 
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Let's review: Rolex and Cartier are jewelry. AP and Patek are high horology. Omega is the right choice.
 
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Let's review: Rolex and Cartier are jewelry. AP and Patek are high horology. Omega is the right choice.
Rolex, yes, they've definitely moved in that direction, but are still quality watches that have their (technical) issues. I don't or haven't really looked at Cartier so I can't and won't say. Truthfully, while I respect the work that goes into AP and Patek watches, I don't really find anything that attractive. Maybe with those two brands l, it's supposed to be more about the craftsmanship and design execution than what it actually looks like? I know what I like and care only very little about the name on the dial, mostly about the look and feel, and very much the price.
 
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I like all the variety. My fav omegas wouldn't exist if they had a much smaller catalog like Rolex.

That said, they haven't made anything I like enough to consider buying since 2023 (summer blue ultradeep) but didn't end up getting it cuz I think it might be redundant to my deepsea
 
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After all the negativity, time for some positivity. Came across this great little video on my YouTube feed. It's a timely reminder of Omega's contribution to watchmaking throughout its storied history and why it's our favorite watch brand. It has survived much bigger crises before in the past and emerged stronger. Hopefully it will do so again with more recent travails.
 
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That said, they haven't made anything I like enough to consider buying since 2023 (summer blue ultradeep) but didn't end up getting it cuz I think it might be redundant to my deepsea

For me the last watch they made that I'd consider buying is the white lacquer Speedy, which I googled and was March 2024. That will almost certainly be my next purchase.

I also wouldn't mind a dress watch, but they don't make any that I like sadly. I'm keeping an eye on the upcoming Constellation but I have zero interest in gold, it'd have to be available in steel and less than 39 mm. I'm not hopeful.
 
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With all due respect to Cartier, I can't understand how they can serve more customers than Omega. Their lines are mostly rectangular, printed dials, roman numerals watches. How is that covering range of different tastes and purposes is beyond my logic.
 
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With all due respect to Cartier, I can't understand how they can serve more customers than Omega. Their lines are mostly rectangular, printed dials, roman numerals watches. How is that covering range of different tastes and purposes is beyond my logic.

It may just be a generational thing- tonneau/rectoval/rectangle cases seem to be a lot more popular with the younger crowd.
 
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After all the negativity, time for some positivity

Here's some more positivity for primarily Swatch and Longines but also secondarily Omega: Longines new Hydroconquest (as yet unreleased) seems to be generating primarily positive response and I've seen quite a bit of commentary that it's a direct shot at Tudor.




This image was apparently taken at an AD in Romania. There has been some chatter about the competition Tudor offers Omega in this thread, but if Longines (which seems to very much be coming up in the luxury watch world) is/becomes a primary competitor with Tudor, that frees Omega from that role (or the perception of it).

The question then becomes whether or not Omega's move "upmarket" works, and I don't think we can know that answer in the present.
 
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and I've seen quite a bit of commentary that it's a direct shot at Tudor.
It`s not much of a challenge to improve on Tudor`s Hydronaut series..