Real or Fake 18k Omega Constellation Pie Pan Dial?

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Hello-i this a real Constellation pie pan dial? Also the inside caseback looks suspicious...supposed to be 18k rose...thanks in advance for your help...

 
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See the T marks either side of the Swiss Made text? Where is the tritium they denote?
 
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Poor Helvetia, who beat her up?
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Hello-i this a real Constellation pie pan dial? Also the inside caseback looks suspicious...supposed to be 18k rose...thanks in advance for your help...

Hello and good day I missed the activity on this forum much I was away , and I’m not an expert but looking at this dial it’s like someone carved it with a Dremel tool , and the case back some funny ref # poorly done markings did you test it for gold content , any jeweler can test it for you for free , where did you get it ? kazd
 
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Actually... if anyone can help, I have a case back that is VERY similar (only the 20 and lion head thing are reversed) and came with a 563 and a fake dial. Should I doubt the gold content?
 
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Actually... if anyone can help, I have a case back that is VERY similar (only the 20 and lion head thing are reversed) and came with a 563 and a fake dial. Should I doubt the gold content?
the 'lion head thing' is meant to be a woman's head (Helvetia).
if the rest is actually the same then, yes, you should doubt the gold content.
(pictures are always useful)
 
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the 'lion head thing' is meant to be a woman's head (Helvetia).
if the rest is actually the same then, yes, you should doubt the gold content.
(pictures are always useful)
I had told him the dial was at least a redial (2nd picture), but was more sure it was a fake after disassembly, but he bought it anyway. Here's what I have of the watch.

The movement seems nice enough, though in need of a service. The dial started falling apart while I took it off the movement, hands are clearly fake. I assumed it was a redial + non-swiss case, but didn't consider it might not even be gold!

 
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That its a truly terrible rendition of a dogleg Constellation.

No constellation had:
1. A dial like that
2. A cal 563
3. A ref serial like that

Gold constellation cases didn't have perlaging inside the case back.

I hate to think what the medallion might look like.

I seriously doubt that the case is gold. (you can see that the plating is actually wearing off the inner caseback)
 
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That its a truly terrible rendition of a dogleg Constellation.

No constellation had:
1. A dial like that
2. A cal 563
3. A ref serial like that

Gold constellation cases didn't have perlaging inside the case back.

I hate to think what the medallion might look like.

I seriously doubt that the case is gold. (you can see that the plating is actually wearing off the inner caseback)
I appreciate your time! And now looking at the medallion, that IS kinda ugly. I didn't look closely and figured it was just 'worn', but now that I'm looking at it after this thread, I think its worse than I considered 😀

I saw inside the caseback and assumed it was a 'locally cased' movement, but I was concentrated on the movement. I figured that 'plating wearing off' was corrosion as it still looks gold/coppery colored in those places?

But I'm pretty convinced this is a 100% fake wrapping a movement. He's gonna be sad 😁

 
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I appreciate your time! And now looking at the medallion, that IS kinda ugly. I didn't look closely and figured it was just 'worn', but now that I'm looking at it after this thread, I think its worse than I considered 😀

I saw inside the caseback and assumed it was a 'locally cased' movement, but I was concentrated on the movement. I figured that 'plating wearing off' was corrosion as it still looks gold/coppery colored in those places?

But I'm pretty convinced this is a 100% fake wrapping a movement. He's gonna be sad 😁

that is indeed a terrible medallion - that alone is enough to call it as a fake.

BTW - a non-Swiss case with Swiss hallmarks?
 
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that is indeed a terrible medallion - that alone is enough to call it as a fake.

BTW - a non-Swiss case with Swiss hallmarks?
Honestly, yah 😀 I put VERY little thought into the case (other than the dial), I was just asked to see if the movement could be serviced and shoulda given better advice in advance. What struck out immediately was lack of a reference #, but I know foreign-cased watches sometimes do that? So I shrugged and moved on.