Reaffirmation of why I try to never deal with dealers.....

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You know how it is, everybody has certain rules and principles in how they choose to live their lives and play their hobbies. One of my main watch collecting principles has always been to avoid professional dealers. The main reasons for this are price and attitude. Finding most of my watches out in the wild or at auction I generally find dealer's prices way too expensive and I don't like the psychological games that they tend to like to play

Once or twice a year I'll go to a watch fair and maybe buy something there from the part-time sellers and hobbyists on their trestle tables, but for the rest I'd rather bide my time and buy sporadically if and when the opportunity arises rather than empty my wallet on a well presented and over-priced dealer watch.

However, every so often I'll see something that really tickles my fancy on a dealer's site, and, much as it pains me, I'll put my principles to one side and make contact. It is generally a watch that is listed with an annoying P.O.A or "Contact us for price" and I always have a feeling of nervous trepidation as I shoot off a price inquiry.

Why nervous? Well I like to negotiate, in fact I love to negotiate as a general rule, so that's not the problem, the problem is the games that dealers tend to play regarding trade valuation and the feeling they like to give that their watch is perfect, rare and worth every cent and my watch, whatever it is, is a virtually worthless POS. Today was again no exception.

So my price inquiry was on an Italian website for a pretty nice looking Railmaster 2914-3 with an incorrect bracelet. The 2914 is a watch that has been on my list for years but has always eluded me, so perhaps that is why I shot off my message in the first place. Anyway I received an answer back with the price, a not unsubstantial €27.5K 😲

To be honest this was more than I was expecting to hear, way above what I'd be willing to pay for a RM, and way, way above what anyone sane would pay for this example without even a correct bracelet. Even so after thinking about it I thought if the selling prices are so high here then I'd likely get a decent trade in on a 14755 Seamaster 300 I have and could possibly make a deal work.....little did I know...

My 300 I feel is a very attractive one, perfect dial and hands, a nice strong case and an Omega Extract coupled to the US 6th Fleet. It has an Aldo bezel restoration, so perhaps not top, top money but still a fine piece ( IMHO )

I sent a picture with description asking about using this as part of a deal on the RM and first off received a crying smiley regarding the Aldo bezel and was then told the value was to be very low because of this, together with a trade offer of €3.5K for my watch.....😲

Oh yeah, here we go, now I remember 🙄 this is exactly why I never do this! So with a sense of déjà vu I declined the offer and said farewell...

Now I realise I can only blame myself for letting Railmaster lust get in the way of my better judgement, rules and principles. And I guess it's my own stupidity that has left me feeling slightly annoyed and offended at such a low baller, but jeez, was that really a normal offer? Am I so out of touch with the heightened value of a 2914 and the depressed trade value of a 14755? :whipped:

Anyway, here's my €3.5K 14755 by the way...oh, and the €27.5K 2914 too



2914

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So you will accept a 3.7k € offer 😉
 
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So you will accept a 3.7k € offer 😉

€4K from the fat ginger in the corner!

That ring on the seller's hand is somewhat a give-away. Interesting price policy indeed 😉
 
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That is insane Chris.
But he will know that you are never going to sell at that price. At least counter, let's see how much he will change his price 😀
I'm am curious now. Does he really sell at close to those prices!
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I think the dial is in worse shape than appears in the photo (the white marks and consistency and depth of the black colour). I've seen a few of his pop up at big auction hse and not sell, but also look worse.
 
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What a turd. I'm Italian and I have a couple of friends who regularly trade with dealers from there. Would you care to send a link to his shop or share his name via PM? I'd love to know who he is and make sure people I know will never even think of going there
 
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I’m going to say what I would have respectfully told the ‘dealer’ : il stronzo de tutti stronzi!!!
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Send him a picture of 7 of your constellations and ask if he is interested. You have to make him feel the unworthy one that is missing out 😗
 
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....So you will accept a 3.7k € offer.... 😉

....€4K from the fat ginger in the corner!.... 😉

@cristos71 don't listen to any of the above! I have €5K ready to ship plus not one, but three wink smilies to offer! 😉 😉 😉!
 
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I’m sorry to say Chris, but your Seamaster is only worth this bowl of porridge...



please send the watch and I’ll send the porridge.
 
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I’m sorry to say Chris, but your Seamaster is only worth this bowl of porridge...



please send the watch and I’ll send the porridge.

Aye, but that looks like English porridge, so it's not real porridge.

Now if it was genuine (Scottish) porridge, well then you could be on a winner..............
 
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Aye, but that looks like English porridge, so it's not real porridge.

Now if it was genuine (Scottish) porridge, well then you could be on a winner..............

I’ll have you know that those are whole rolled organic Scottish oats, with a pinch of salt, made with water (not milk!), brought to the boil, and then simmered over a low heat, and stirred continuously for 10 minutes.

We don’t mess around with porridge in this household. 😁
 
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I’m sorry to say Chris, but your Seamaster is only worth this bowl of porridge...



please send the watch and I’ll send the porridge.
Jesus, mate ... did a rabbit shit in your porridge?

Mind you, I'm still waiting for mine to cook while dancing around the kitchen with Nina Simone ...

Perhaps @cristos71 will trade the SM for a sausage or two?
 
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Jesus, mate ... did a rabbit shit in your porridge?

A rabbit !!
 
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I could stretch to TWO bowls of porridge, made right here in Scotland + as many smileys as you want....
 
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There’s dealers and there’s dealers though. Not all are piss-taking idiots.
 
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This confirms what I have heard from many international collectors about Italian dealers.

What a joke...
 
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I'll be in Rome in less than a couple of weeks. Should I send OF's regards to this gentleman ?
😲