Railmaster dial relumed - feedback welcome

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Good evening everyone,

Need advice on a Railamster dial that has been relumed with radium.
Sharing before and after photos: fist photo is before, all the rest are after.

The dial belongs to the person who did the relume, hands are mine.
Asking price for dial + the relume job - 1000 Euro.

How does this look to you?
Please be constructive.

Thank you.
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Can you clarify which photos are before and which are after? You can just edit your original post. If the first photo is "before" and the remainder are "after", then I think the re-lume job is quite sloppy and unappealing. I don't know if you consider that "constructive", but it's honest.
 
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Can you clarify which photos are before and which are after? You can just edit your original post. If the first photo is "before" and the remainder are "after", then I think the re-lume job is quite sloppy and unappealing. I don't know if you consider that "constructive", but it's honest.
Thank you Dan, only the first photo is "before".
 
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Looking at the pictures, I'm not sure the dial is genuine.

Edit: Having had a closer look, I'm pretty sure the dial is one of the copies that were sold on ebay recently. I can't find any pics of those at the moment to try a direct comparison... I think it's driven by intention that all these pictures have been taken distracted or turned around.

Look at the "OMEGA" font and the logo, the spacing in "SWISS MADE" or the "12" or the dimensions of the lume markers on the genuine dial (it is my watch, which I know is legit):

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At the very least that looks like a repainted dial.
 
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Good evening everyone,

Need advice on a Railamster dial that has been relumed with radium.
Sharing before and after photos: fist photo is before, all the rest are after.

The dial belongs to the person who did the relume, hands are mine.
Asking price for dial + the relume job - 1000 Euro.

How does this look to you?
Please be constructive.

Thank you.

If you want honest feedback asking for people to be constructive seems counterproductive.

Dial seems repainted to me at a minimum and fake at worse
 
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Seller claims the dial to be original, but reprinted.
Ok, be honest, evetyone - is this worth paying 1k Euro for?
 
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Seller claims the dial to be original, but reprinted.
Ok, be honest, evetyone - is this worth paying 1k Euro for?

As a repainted dial not worth 100 Euro.
 
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Seller claims the dial to be original, but reprinted.
Ok, be honest, evetyone - is this worth paying 1k Euro for?

I think it's better to have no dial than this dial. 😉
 
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Depends......looks like one of the dials, sold from Canada. Quite a bit of work, to mill out the luminous wells. Printing so-so, but better than many others, I've seen. The minute strokes are too short, most reprinted dials share that feature. The effort, to make a pristine manufactured dial into a typical Railmaster look used dial with uneven relume and a few discolourations, is not bad. The use of blue shiny activated lume , is just sloppy. A No-No. Use water based Tritium for an old look, not that stuff. Apart from the printing, the first glance is better than before. I'm unsure rgd. The price: you buy the complete dial and the re lume for euro 1000 ? As a temporary solution that sounds ok. Euro 1000 for the relume alone is outrageous. With the time involved, that is maybe worth euro 400 max. Kind regards. Achim
 
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Depends......looks like one of the dials, sold from Canada. Quite a bit of work, to mill out the luminous wells. Printing so-so, but better than many others, I've seen. The minute strokes are too short, most reprinted dials share that feature. The effort, to make a pristine manufactured dial into a typical Railmaster look used dial with uneven relume and a few discolourations, is not bad. The use of blue shiny activated lume , is just sloppy. A No-No. Use water based Tritium for an old look, not that stuff. Apart from the printing, the first glance is better than before. I'm unsure rgd. The price: you buy the complete dial and the re lume for euro 1000 ? As a temporary solution that sounds ok. Euro 1000 for the relume alone is outrageous. With the time involved, that is maybe worth euro 400 max. Kind regards. Achim
I'm trying to be "constructive" here.....
I can see how purists might value an untouched vintage dial with original (if degraded) lume,
but is there really much demand for dials freshly lumed with *new* radium as the OP describes?
 
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Leaving aside the condition of the dial, which others have covered, wouldn't the original lume be more white than orange/brown?
 
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Leaving aside the condition of the dial, which others have covered, wouldn't the original lume be more white than orange/brown?[/QUOTE

No, not white. Dark yellow/brownish after 60 years and lume Radium based till around 1962. Kind regards. Achim
 
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So was radium yellow/brown when originally applied (when new)? It might be OP was attempting faux-patina like Omega does now, and I am curious as to what colour radium was originally.
 
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Thank you for your feedback, everyone.
I will not be paying for this job then, will request to send my hands back.
My main issue then will be finding a new dial, or restring my original dial, which was also repainted in the 90s and looks very poor.
Can anyone restore this kind of dial to a 100% original state?
 
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Thank you for your feedback, everyone.
I will not be paying for this job then, will request to send my hands back.
My main issue then will be finding a new dial, or restring my original dial, which was also repainted in the 90s and looks very poor.
Can anyone restore this kind of dial to a 100% original state?


And how long, once you start looking, before you start thinking maybe that this dial is better than nothing....😀
 
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And how long, once you start looking, before you start thinking maybe that this dial is better than nothing....😀
True, but I do not want to spend 1k on something I know I will replace becuse its not good enough.
 
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Thank you for your feedback, everyone.
I will not be paying for this job then, will request to send my hands back.
My main issue then will be finding a new dial, or restring my original dial, which was also repainted in the 90s and looks very poor.
Can anyone restore this kind of dial to a 100% original state?

No.
 
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Again: is the euro 1000 is exactly for what? This reprinted/freshly made Dial in pics 1 included ? If so, pay the euro 1000 . It will be a long search before you find an original. And then youupgrade your Railmaster and can always sell the one here to the next guy who is in the same pickle like you are now.