Questions about starting a watch business that turned into a social experiment

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greetings,
Actually there are many important things that haven’t been said yet:

If you’re talking about vintage, the finite supply is quickly drying up. You cannot make the same apparently easy profits you did 5 or even 3 years ago.
Soon there will be no watches with big brand names to hunt
« In the wild », and the dealers will be those with a big network of collectors from whom they can obtain the best pieces, to resell to others. The field’s already crowded with people who have invested the past 5 years at building a large following on social networks and getting to meet people for drinks and get togethers in large cities around the world.

The booming investment market concerns watches worth qt least 8K dollars, or euros, or GBP— is that your type of watch and price range?
 
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greetings,
Actually there are many important things that haven’t been said yet:

If you’re talking about vintage, the finite supply is quickly drying up. You cannot make the same apparently easy profits you did 5 or even 3 years ago.
Soon there will be no watches with big brand names to hunt
« In the wild », and the dealers will be those with a big network of collectors from whom they can obtain the best pieces, to resell to others. The field’s already crowded with people who have invested the past 5 years at building a large following on social networks and getting to meet people for drinks and get togethers in large cities around the world.

The booming investment market concerns watches worth qt least 8K dollars, or euros, or GBP— is that your type of watch and price range?

Well covid has definitely had an effect on the market with people staying home and not spending money on travel, all of a sudden having a bit more money to invest. .

All this has effected the watch market with massive demand, and little stock but didn't stop at the watch market its also on alot of other markets That's why my other business is booming at the moment too.

I see that inflation is going up which will have an effect on watch prices with people with more restricted budgets to spend less but really the people with real money will still want to flaunt it if they are that way inclined.

Do I have money for the 8k plus category? I'm going to say I'm not comfortable rn with investing in several watches at that price point but whose to say what is going to happen in 3-6 months. I'm testing the waters at a lower price point at the moment to see where it goes from here.

Plus I think the market for omegas has boomed too from the launch of the moonswatch, massive amounts of new watch collectors will be wanting better watches one would think.
 
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Well if you have another business that is booming, clearly you should hold on to it while you test the waters and keep watches as a side thing, as it seems you are determined to try.

Again, you’re walking into a crowded field and not everyone will necessarily get a piece of the cake. The trends I’m talking about predate Covid by several years.
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What kind of fish is that?

It reminds me of when I took my kids and lady on a day's mackerel fishing here in NL. I was optimistically fully prepared with two large cool boxes, filleting knives, etc. After a full day out we came back into harbour with IIRC 7 fish between the four of us 🙁. It worked out at about €230/kg for the fish 😁

Barramundi
(nothing better than a wild caught saltwater barramundi. A premium restaurant fish in Australia)

have done many $200+ trips for zero

Edit: ($220 as I had to buy sausages and bread rolls on the way home 😉)
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Fresh Barra at our Harbour Fish Co-op is $ 26/kg for the whole Fish.

My Fish Co-op is a bit more peaceful and a lot fewer people 😉

 
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A child costing $17k / year better be getting good grades and not skiving off.

the most remarkable thing about this thread is how on earth Ash got a pass on this comment... if you can do a kid for $17k/year you're in a country I need to move to !"
 
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And for 18 K/Year I rent you our Director of Security, Dash. Cash upfront of course. Cheap to feed.....

I think the coiffeur on this one is the money-pit 😉

If I had a dog costing $17k / year I’d be shopping for a cat,

Mate, Ill trade our cats for any dog any time ...
 
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the most remarkable thing about this thread is how on earth Ash got a pass on this comment... if you can raise a kid for $17k/year you're in a country I need to move to !"

FIFY

😉
 
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I really dont know Dan. But to make a serious living out of it where you can put your kids to college, pay your mortgage, phone, insurances, taxes, ex-wives, dogs and cats and everything else, I would assume with 100k you still have small money at the end of the year.

I was thinking the same thing. That the net revenue was quite small compared with the amount that would be tied up in inventory.
 
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OK here's a question for everyone. and before you all call me cavalier and naive or rambunctious, im not comparing myself in any way to these business or business owners.

What's your thoughts on businesses like hodinkee, pride and pinion, Teddy baldassare?

Hodinkee has 608 videos on YouTube, that'd be 304 years of knowledge collectively if they research models for 6 months a piece. I'm obviously estimating that all these videos are about watches of different calibres, maybe some videos are doubled up maybe some of the talking watches have several different references.

Pride and pinion have a sell my watch feature on their website, do you think they have dedicated teams who spend 6 months on each different reference and make a profit at the end of the day.

Once again before I get attacked. I'm not comparing myself towards these people and respect that they have alot more knowledge of the watch industry than me.

I think Teddy Baldassare is an excellent example. I don’t think anyone had heard of him 5 years ago, but now he has his own online store selling both used and new watches - he’s an AD for several brands. He got started doing rather mediocre watch reviews, but quickly improved his videos - became more comfortable in front of the camera, better editing, a lot better photography. When he started making some money, he began reinvesting that in his fledgling shop. I believe he started off selling straps and accessories, then some used watches, then got his AD connections.

He’s young and tech savvy. And he also puts out a ton of content (maybe 2 videos a week on watches) and he now has expanded to fragrances with his girlfriend, Courtney.

Adrian at Bark and Jack is another example - great photography and personable on camera, leveraged that into a shop selling watch straps and coffee. Enough so that he has quit his original job.

These are exactly the models I was suggesting earlier if you really want to establish a business. But if you don’t want to put in the time and effort to do that groundwork (I.e., make videos people want to watch and establish a base), then I think you will have an uphill struggle.

remember, to get that $17k in profit, you have to spend $100k to start and get inventory. Do you have that? They used their YouTube videos as a way to fund that initial investment.
 
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I was thinking the same thing. That the net revenue was quite small compared with the amount that would be tied up in inventory.

inordinately high overhead, I should think

not dissimilar to being a ‘used’ car salesperson that only sells brand new vehicles

the actual dealers have stock financing arrangements with the manufacturers

a ‘grey’ car dealer has to actually purchase the vehicle near-ish to MSRP and then cover it’s inventory costs before if all goes as planned realizing any margin
 
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inordinately high overhead, I should think

not dissimilar to being a ‘used’ car salesperson that only sells brand new vehicles

the actual dealers have stock financing arrangements with the manufacturers

a ‘grey’ car dealer has to actually purchase the vehicle near-ish to MSRP and then cover it’s inventory costs before if all goes as planned realizing any margin
Then also have reserves to cover repairs or returns, if you sell a Daytona for $50k, then it just doesn’t run at all when it arrives odds are the buyer isn’t going to want to have to spend 6 months servicing it and will expect a refund on that DOA watch. If you’ve spent that money on new stock you’re in a pickle.
 
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the most remarkable thing about this thread is how on earth Ash got a pass on this comment... if you can do a kid for $17k/year you're in a country I need to move to !"
Why I got out of the business a few years back...
 
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I think Teddy Baldassare is an excellent example. I don’t think anyone had heard of him 5 years ago, but now he has his own online store selling both used and new watches - he’s an AD for several brands. He got started doing rather mediocre watch reviews, but quickly improved his videos - became more comfortable in front of the camera, better editing, a lot better photography. When he started making some money, he began reinvesting that in his fledgling shop. I believe he started off selling straps and accessories, then some used watches, then got his AD connections.

He’s young and tech savvy. And he also puts out a ton of content (maybe 2 videos a week on watches) and he now has expanded to fragrances with his girlfriend, Courtney.

Adrian at Bark and Jack is another example - great photography and personable on camera, leveraged that into a shop selling watch straps and coffee. Enough so that he has quit his original job.

These are exactly the models I was suggesting earlier if you really want to establish a business. But if you don’t want to put in the time and effort to do that groundwork (I.e., make videos people want to watch and establish a base), then I think you will have an uphill struggle.

remember, to get that $17k in profit, you have to spend $100k to start and get inventory. Do you have that? They used their YouTube videos as a way to fund that initial investment.

I don't think I need to devuldge what my investment wants to be, but let's say 100k for arguments sake.

This is kinda what I was eluding to early on in original question. It seems like the market is saturated, I know that. And the people who are doing well in the watch game are probably not the ones making only profit off the watches themselves.

I would think that the "content" that comes from buying the watch and talking about it would bring in more of an income stream through YouTube or social media than the actual sale of the watch itself. Albeit you don't want to be losing money when selling the watch.

And I'm know these people also have friends in high places who have nice watches that they can produce "content" for a fee im guessing.

That'd be the more realistic way of going from here I'd say.
 
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Your plan is brilliant and fail-safe. Clearly this a home-run strategy and you should absolutely go for it. The nay-sayers here are simply jealous that they have not thought of this first. What do these OF collectors know about business?
The issues of watch knowledge, inventory, marketing, overhead, etc. are mere details. I say just go for it!

Maybe I can invest with you? But let me think on this a bit 😀
 
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Problem with the social media aspect is the several we have seen crash and burn in the last few years.

Anyone heard of the shut down for a week because he was over Social Media, flashy video guy, then feeds homeless people and films for social media to say sorry dude from a while back.
Or
The fake Daytona selling guy (Chris Essery ?!)
 
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Your plan is brilliant and fail-safe. Clearly this a home-run strategy and you should absolutely go for it. The nay-sayers here are simply jealous that they have not thought of this first. What do these OF collectors know about business?
The issues of watch knowledge, inventory, marketing, overhead, etc. are mere details. I say just go for it!

Maybe I can invest with you? But let me think on this a bit 😀

An investment coming from you would be a bit of a long stretch seeming that your security would cost 17k a year. The security alone might send me broke.
 
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I don't think I need to devuldge what my investment wants to be, but let's say 100k for arguments sake.

This is kinda what I was eluding to early on in original question. It seems like the market is saturated, I know that. And the people who are doing well in the watch game are probably not the ones making only profit off the watches themselves.

I would think that the "content" that comes from buying the watch and talking about it would bring in more of an income stream through YouTube or social media than the actual sale of the watch itself. Albeit you don't want to be losing money when selling the watch.

And I'm know these people also have friends in high places who have nice watches that they can produce "content" for a fee im guessing.


That'd be the more realistic way of going from here I'd say.

" Friends in high places...."...... Oh Dear .....