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Proof that the Speedmaster is superior to the Daytona
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·When this thread first hit, I didn’t think it would have any legs at all, especially after meme-dweller shot the OP down, telling him to stop the fanboy-ism. But, here we are on page 5 📖and the conversation, albeit somewhat meandering, is going strong!
I guess the fact that I am still reading this thread, and enjoying it, means I was initially wrong. That’s entertainment, as the old saying goes. 🍿
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GrouchoM
·I think the Daytona is a nice chronograph... except I can only read it's subdials in "jewelry store lighting".
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·I'll wager the Speedy Pro outsells the Daytona as well👍
Even with it's outdated plastic Crystal🙄
That has to be a ringing endorsement from the consumer😉
Even with it's outdated plastic Crystal🙄
That has to be a ringing endorsement from the consumer😉
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hen
·Well that`s settled then! How about a "proof that the Seamaster is superior to the Speedmaster" to keep the tread engaging?
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·D DuckieI'll wager the Speedy Pro outsells the Daytona as well👍
Even with it's outdated plastic Crystal🙄
That has to be a ringing endorsement from the consumer😉
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th0m
·Do you mean like the high-end modern Seiko 6139 movement?
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ninman
·T th0mI'm simply making a comparison to the 3861. Vertical clutch is the standard for more recently developed chronograph mechanisms since it has quite a few advantages to horizontal coupling. The disadvantage being that it's generally more complex to work with.
A Daytona is also about triple the cost of a Speedmaster. I'd argue that the Speedmaster is terrific value for money and the Daytona is overpriced.
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th0m
·A Daytona is also about triple the cost of a Speedmaster. I'd argue that the Speedmaster is terrific value for money and the Daytona is overpriced.
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·T th0mThe sapphire Speedy Pro has a list price of 8800€ and the Daytona is 14950€ (if you could get your hands on one). If you want a Speedmaster with an automatic 990x movement you're looking at over 10k.
OK so the base model hesalite Speedmaster is around 8000 euros, half the price of a Daytona.
The main point is you can't buy a Daytona anyway.
Maybe it's just me though, but I think the Daytona has gotten a lot uglier over the years, but the Speedmaster has kept it's good looks.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerT th0mI'm simply making a comparison to the 3861. Vertical clutch is the standard for more recently developed chronograph mechanisms since it has quite a few advantages to horizontal coupling. The disadvantage being that it's generally more complex to work with.
As noted, the Seiko 6139 was the first (that I am aware of) and that was a very long time ago. It's hardly become any sort of standard since then.
It's a design choice based on the goals of the company which design to use. One certainly looks better and is more traditional, so if the brand is geared more towards that, they will use a horizontally coupled chronograph. If movement aesthetics are unimportant, the brand may go a different direction. Would I rather have a Datograph, which is horizontally coupled, or a Daytona, which is vertically coupled? For me there's little doubt - the Dato would easily win out.
Having serviced plenty of vertical clutch chronographs, I can say with confidence that it's not more complex to work with. Not sure who told you that, but it's a bit of blowing smoke up you know where...
Omega makes watches with vertical clutches - the 9300/9900 series, and the 3301/3303/3313.
At least with the 4130 Rolex dipped their toes into the 1980's, and used a ball bearing on the rotor. The rest of their line has followed suit, although those movement have other issues.
In the end these little arguments/debates back and forth are mostly about rationalizing your preferences. Just buy what you like...
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th0m
·As noted, the Seiko 6139 was the first (that I am aware of) and that was a very long time ago. It's hardly become any sort of standard since then.
It's a design choice based on the goals of the company which design to use. One certainly looks better and is more traditional, so if the brand is geared more towards that, they will use a horizontally coupled chronograph. If movement aesthetics are unimportant, the brand may go a different direction. Would I rather have a Datograph, which is horizontally coupled, or a Daytona, which is vertically coupled? For me there's little doubt - the Dato would easily win out.
Having serviced plenty of vertical clutch chronographs, I can say with confidence that it's not more complex to work with. Not sure who told you that, but it's a bit of blowing smoke up you know where...
Omega makes watches with vertical clutches - the 9300/9900 series, and the 3301/3303/3313.
At least with the 4130 Rolex dipped their toes into the 1980's, and used a ball bearing on the rotor. The rest of their line has followed suit, although those movement have other issues.
In the end these little arguments/debates back and forth are mostly about rationalizing your preferences. Just buy what you like...
And in regards to the complexity of vertical clutch vs. horizontal coupling I can only speak from my own experience. I certainly know what I find easier to work with myself.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerT th0mThe whole point of my first post was to say that it's not suitable to compare the Speedmaster Pro to the Daytona since they, as you say, have different design goals. The Daytona is more performance oriented, similar to Omega 9900, while the 3861 is purposely kept more traditional.
Well, despite saying that, the performance of the 3861 is pretty much the same as the Daytona...
T th0mAnd in regards to the complexity of vertical clutch vs. horizontal coupling I can only speak from my own experience. I certainly know what I find easier to work with myself.
Fair enough. I don't find a vertical clutch to be any more difficult to service than a horizontally coupled chronograph. I'll take a modern vertical clutch over a beat up 321 any day of the week in terms of ease of servicing (at least to get it to my standards)...
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·OK, as someone who knows very little about the intricacies of watch making, does a vertical or horizontal clutch really make a difference from a consumer perspective.
Personally, what I'd find more annoying is having to unscrew the pushers every time I want to use the chronograph.
Personally, what I'd find more annoying is having to unscrew the pushers every time I want to use the chronograph.
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··Omega Qualified WatchmakerOK, as someone who knows very little about the intricacies of watch making, does a vertical or horizontal clutch really make a difference from a consumer perspective.
Personally, what I'd find more annoying is having to unscrew the pushers every time I want to use the chronograph.
Not really.
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·Both lovely watches - but I cant get past the poor legibility of the Daytona subdials.
The older I get the more I notice this. So many watches just have very poor legibility - whether that be messy & cluttered dials, or sub dial hands that do not stand out against the dial...
The older I get the more I notice this. So many watches just have very poor legibility - whether that be messy & cluttered dials, or sub dial hands that do not stand out against the dial...
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thatone
·Reminds me of the xbox v playstation fanboy threads from centuries ago.
Both are great watches, difficult to be objective with this stuff considering a $100 gshock tells time more accurately, will last longer, and is considerably more durable.
Both are great watches, difficult to be objective with this stuff considering a $100 gshock tells time more accurately, will last longer, and is considerably more durable.
