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Spacefruit
··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderAh the pre coffee morning eyes....
Project 105.003.65 or keep it as is :) ?
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jimmyd13
·Ah the pre coffee morning eyes....
That first phone call when you're still in bed. "Today" softly playing the woes of the world as you wonder why you can't sleep when nights are so warm ... but someone's demanding your attention with silly issues that seem to herald the apocalypse for them. But you're awake now. Might as well take a look at that Holmegaard. And the yunomi. Please, let that be really old. Glaze seems right for Edo. The back stamp is bloody unreadable, though. Might as well check OF. That looks interesting. I'll make coffee later. Yeah, comment first and then make coffee. It's a straightforward question ... can't fυck that up, even pre-caffeinated.
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JACK G
·Simon, I fully understand the many questions going through your mind.
I also a purist at heart but in addition suffer with Class 1 OCD!
I have spent hours and hours in the past sourcing original period parts for the various watches I have owned and have often driven myself crazy in the process.
Lately I have been questioning why I do this - is it just an obsession? It is very rare to have anybody comment on a watch I am wearing and I don't often get together with other enthusiasts. So it can't be that I do it to seek the approval of others.
I think In the end it comes down to what are 'you' happy to wear.
If this was my watch I would go with the advice from @Spacefruit and leave the rest as it is. I would also keep the bracelet and end pieces which has also been suggested.
What I wouldn't do is rush into anything - wear it for a while and then evaluate what you can or can't live with.
I also a purist at heart but in addition suffer with Class 1 OCD!
I have spent hours and hours in the past sourcing original period parts for the various watches I have owned and have often driven myself crazy in the process.
Lately I have been questioning why I do this - is it just an obsession? It is very rare to have anybody comment on a watch I am wearing and I don't often get together with other enthusiasts. So it can't be that I do it to seek the approval of others.
I think In the end it comes down to what are 'you' happy to wear.
If this was my watch I would go with the advice from @Spacefruit and leave the rest as it is. I would also keep the bracelet and end pieces which has also been suggested.
What I wouldn't do is rush into anything - wear it for a while and then evaluate what you can or can't live with.
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Reborn
·Personally, the first thing I would do is to ask for archive extracts from Omega to check if this is an original 105.003, and then take it from there...if it is there is a basis to think about getting the correct parts...my 2 cents.
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Reborn
·I need to go shopping where you're buying, then! 😉
I AM NOT RECOMMENDING THIS DIAL, but a quick search on eBay threw up a hit and it's in the middle of what we both said at just over $5800: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-...504914?hash=item3b1510fb52:g:4rEAAOSwBdhbTO6~
Just curious, what do you think of that ebay dial? Correct?
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Simonhedegaard
·Thanks all 😀 Much appreciated ! I am proberly going to keep the watch as it is... I am going to order a extract from Omega asap 😀
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Thanks all 😀 Much appreciated ! I am proberly going to keep the watch as it is... I am going to order a extract from Omega asap 😀
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jimmyd13
·Just curious, what do you think of that ebay dial? Correct?
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Actually looking again at the photos, I am beginning to wonder if that is in fact a 105.003-64 with a changed back and dial etc. There really doesn’t seem much bevel at all on the lugs as would be correct for a -64 case. If so then finding a -64 caseback would be rather easier and cheaper than a -65 era movement. Still a big ask but at least the movement could be straight. Get the extract!
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boogedyboo
·Thanks all 😀 Much appreciated ! I am proberly going to keep the watch as it is... I am going to order a extract from Omega asap 😀
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FREDMAYCOIN
·I like the watch as a piece, with its history and as it is.
The current dial is from a 145.012 and has no luminous materiel. This is not so attractive. The chrono hand is also from the later time. But if you look closely it does not match the other hands.
If it were my watch, knowing what I now know, I would send it to Simon Freese for servicing, send the dial and hands to James Hymen for re luming and then enjoy the watch. Take the opportunity to get a drop end hand as well.
I would keep the bracelet as you can always get more money but unlikely to get a full length bracelet with end links again.
With James you have to make sure you specify the color of the lume and hands - he is prone to make them too perfect. Simon can also do it, and he is more familiar with vintage appeal.
The dial has value but nothing like the amount you would need for a 105.003 dial and if you did find one it is unlikely to be an attractive one.
My suggestions should give you change from £1000, whereas trying to get this back to original spec will cost around £5000+ and you may not find the end result good.
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Spacefruit
··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderPlatform 9 3/4
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Davidt
·Where do we find James Hymen?
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FREDMAYCOIN
·Thank you.
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Vintagewtchzilla
·I like the watch as a piece, with its history and as it is.
The current dial is from a 145.012 and has no luminous materiel. This is not so attractive. The chrono hand is also from the later time. But if you look closely it does not match the other hands.
If it were my watch, knowing what I now know, I would send it to Simon Freese for servicing, send the dial and hands to James Hymen for re luming and then enjoy the watch. Take the opportunity to get a drop end hand as well.
I would keep the bracelet as you can always get more money but unlikely to get a full length bracelet with end links again.
With James you have to make sure you specify the color of the lume and hands - he is prone to make them too perfect. Simon can also do it, and he is more familiar with vintage appeal.
The dial has value but nothing like the amount you would need for a 105.003 dial and if you did find one it is unlikely to be an attractive one.
My suggestions should give you change from £1000, whereas trying to get this back to original spec will cost around £5000+ and you may not find the end result good.
somehow i don't get it in the last months, the average quality goes down and down.
even "the guru" suggests to keep it a nonsense watch as is and burn money to relume it 😒 from my point of view it is a total donkey move but it seems to be funky to publish not correct watches and trying to legitimize them somehow.
the dial is totally wrong, even if it would be a nice tritium one, it stays wrong in this watch. to relume it doesn't make it better in any way.
when i take the common sense website as a base this one wouldn't even reach running ... it's just a case,bezel and a 321 movement
do you really accept such watches ?
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··Oooo subtitles!Well you are a bundle of laughs aren’t you? How is servicing the watch and reluming a knackered dial burning money? An attractive Pro dial will resell for more than a washed one anyhow even if he does decide to spend big bucks on a Pre Pro dial so I don’t see where burn comes into it. I get the feeling you don’t like Mr Fruit much as you do seem occasionally antagonistic towards him. Perhaps don’t let it cloud your judgement.
somehow i don't get it in the last months, the average quality goes down and down.
even "the guru" suggests to keep it a nonsense watch as is and burn money to relume it 😒 from my point of view it is a total donkey move but it seems to be funky to publish not correct watches and trying to legitimize them somehow.
the dial is totally wrong, even if it would be a nice tritium one, it stays wrong in this watch. to relume it doesn't make it better in any way.
when i take the common sense website as a base this one wouldn't even reach running ... it's just a case,bezel and a 321 movement
do you really accept such watches ?
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jimmyd13
·somehow i don't get it in the last months, the average quality goes down and down.
even "the guru" suggests to keep it a nonsense watch as is and burn money to relume it 😒 from my point of view it is a total donkey move but it seems to be funky to publish not correct watches and trying to legitimize them somehow.
the dial is totally wrong, even if it would be a nice tritium one, it stays wrong in this watch. to relume it doesn't make it better in any way.
when i take the common sense website as a base this one wouldn't even reach running ... it's just a case,bezel and a 321 movement
do you really accept such watches ?
I genuinely don't know which camp I fall into as the majority of my watches are extremely good and all original. I sold a 2998-4 because it had later service parts and I wasn't willing to sink a few thousands more into it to make it "correct". Yet, I also have some rare (not necessarily desirable or incredibly valuable) watches which have definite "flaws" that I love all the same. The watches that are in that category speak to me. That's all. They just talk.
There's no point in arguing one view against the other as both are valid ... they're just different.
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Vintagewtchzilla
·Well you are a bundle of laughs aren’t you? How is servicing the watch and reluming a knackered dial burning money? An attractive Pro dial will resell for more than a washed one anyhow even if he does decide to spend big bucks on a Pre Pro dial so I don’t see where burn comes into it. I get the feeling you don’t like Mr Fruit much as you do seem occasionally antagonistic towards him. Perhaps don’t let it cloud your judgement.
An attractive pro dial in the correct watch will sell for sure but in the wrong case it doesn’t matter as it is still wrong. A relume is as less attractive as a flaked dial for me.
If u as a collector wanna buy a ed white you expect to have the correct dial ... so what’s your point ?
For a daily beater it is ok as is ...
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Vintagewtchzilla
·It seems to me that this argument comes down to the fact that there are two schools of collector. The first looks for a piece that is in full original condition (and there's a sub-category of that type that looks for a watch which is essentially perfect as well as original); the second will buy every watch of a particular type and accept that the defects in that watch "tells a story".
I genuinely don't know which camp I fall into as the majority of my watches are extremely good and all original. I sold a 2998-4 because it had later service parts and I wasn't willing to sink a few thousands more into it to make it "correct". Yet, I also have some rare (not necessarily desirable or incredibly valuable) watches which have definite "flaws" that I love all the same. The watches that are in that category speak to me. That's all. They just talk.
There's no point in arguing one view against the other as both are valid ... they're just different.
You are mostly right... all my watches have sings of wear and tell stories. But i couldn’t live with a wrong dial on my watch. I sold my ed white cuz it had 1 ( not 3-4 which would habe been ok ) no it had only ONE fxxxing spot on the lume, which drove me crazy.
I am not talking about values but i am surprised to see that a „franken-light“ is a good option ... maybe i am too far on the „ a watch has to be correct „ side
