Possible new 300m spotted on Daniel Craig

McBeardy

I’ve heard rumours a green due next month and either a white or blue next Jan before the bronze/ burgundy

T tjs1295

I don’t think 2 mm is splitting hairs. Tudor seems to sell the Black Bay in 39 mm, and 41 mm just fine. People went crazy when that 39 mm was released. And while Christopher Ward isn’t a high end brand you can get the same Trident dive watch in 38, 40, or 42 mm. With 300 m water resistance and thickness around 11.5 mm. There must be a demand for these different sizes. I don’t think they would make them just because they can.

Jakeys

My personal opinion is if you want a chunky diver with big wrist presence, that's what the Planet Ocean is for. The SMP should be a sleek and sophisticated diver. They nailed it with the first and second gens, they should be going back to those dimensions. Especially the thickness.

So for me, 40 mm is the ideal if you just offered one, but I could imagine Omega would potentially stick with a 42 and maybe offer a 39 in addition. I don't imagine a mid size 36 diver is coming back, I think that would sell too poorly in today's market. Honestly though, the diameter isn't the dealbreaker for me, the thickness is. I'd buy a 42 mm SMP, but I won't buy a 13+ mm thick SMP.

ErichPryde

sleek and sophisticated is exactly where the Heritage diver is currently at.
There is very little about skeleton hands or a helium Escape valve or even a scalloped bezel that says much about sophistication. The SMP is a sport watch first... and I'm totally for that.

ErichPryde

As far as thickness is concerned... omega's cases have come down even as their crystals have come up. Can anyone provide the case back to bezel height thickness on a Submariner? I keep seeing "thickness" as an argument over and over... but meh. Flat crystals aren't interesting or fun.

Jakeys

It is a sport watch first but it used to look sleek and elegant too. It's a bit of a trope but you only need to look back at how well Brosnan and (for one movie) Craig pulled it off in a tux. It wore easily under the cuff, even if the dial was sporty. I just think it used to do both well.



The Sub's crystal is essentially flat and flush so those measurements are virtually one in the same. The total case thickness inclusive of the barely proud crystal is 12.8 mm for the no date or 13.0 mm with the date cyclops.

Maybe most customers don't care about a tall watch but I certainly do. My SMP is 12.0 mm thick and my Railmaster, which is basically an AT, is 11.0 mm thick, and they both wear so well it's difficult to accept the 13.6-13.8 mm current gen offerings. Every generation has been thicker than the one before it, I'd just like that trend to reverse.

Putting my own opinions and tastes aside, the thickness complaint is very common. Go look at any new SMP post or release and read the comments, it's a constant criticism. Enough that Omega ought to address it. Even if they just target matching or beating the Sub and try and hit somewhere in the high 12's, that would be a reasonable goal.

Jakeys

My personal opinion is if you want a chunky diver with big wrist presence, that's what the Planet Ocean is for. The SMP should be a sleek and sophisticated diver. They nailed it with the first and second gens, they should be going back to those dimensions. Especially the thickness.

So for me, 40 mm is the ideal if you just offered one, but I could imagine Omega would potentially stick with a 42 and maybe offer a 39 in addition. I don't imagine a mid size 36 diver is coming back, I think that would sell too poorly in today's market. Honestly though, the diameter isn't the dealbreaker for me, the thickness is. I'd buy a 42 mm SMP, but I won't buy a 13+ mm thick SMP.

Annapolis

I don’t think everyone does. Just some of us. And I’d be just as happy to have a smaller option, rather than an exclusively smaller line.

My daily wear is a 43mm watch that’s all dial—I’m not doctrinaire about this. But I will say, once you get used to wearing a 36-38mm watch, switching back to something over 40mm starts to feel a little clown-shoes silly.

Maybe the point is: watches aren’t one-size-fits-all any more than shoes or shirts or eyeglasses. It’d be nice to have options in the SM pro line as we do with the ATs.

A Al_Snoopy

Massively underwhelming release for me. I just don't understand why Omega keep insisting on hockey pucks. It just baffles me. There is this misconception that with coaxial comes thickness. The DeVille has the same 8800 movement in the SMP and it's 9.9mm thick.

"Yes but that is not a diver watch case!!!"

Well, the 2254/2255 case is a diver's case and it's 11.8mm thick. Surely you can take a movement from a 9.9mm thick case and fit it in a 11.8mm case. Yes, some work will be required but surely it's not rocket science! Omega?? Hello?

Rant over.

josiahg52

First, I think that the DeVille isn't a diver's watch matters. Second, the cal. 8800 is 4.60mm thick, the cal. 1120, 3.60mm. The newest ceramic dial appears thicker than the 2000s Seamaster's, so how much are we talking about? Omega could probably get it under 13mm, but how much really? A few tenths? Of a mm?

A Al_Snoopy

I am sure they can work it out and get it to 12mm at least. Surely it won't be a huge task for one of the lead innovators in watchmaking.

They just want to stick to thicker watches. Perhaps they think that if they reduce the size of the SMP it will be too similar to the submariner? Probably research done by the same people who thought that the change of shape of the He escape valve to a toothpaste cup will be a big hit....

ErichPryde

Look, I'll be the first to acknowledge that I don't like all of omega's designs and I don't agree with many of their design choices. But, sacrificing everything on the altar of thinness is honestly.. well, to be polite, it's not a very thoughtful approach. It limits what you can do with your case, your bezel, and it definitely limits what you can do with your crystal.

Omega's domed crystals are excellent, and quite frankly the bezel on the Heritage and on the planet ocean is spot on.

Can the cases be a bit thinner? Absolutely. But absolute thinness is not the answer. There's absolutely nothing wrong with a 13mm thick dive watch.


Having thought about this a bit more though, I will acknowledge that the whole reason I don't currently own a Seamaster professional is because, even though they fit me, I'm not a huge fan of the huge lug to lug.

A Al_Snoopy

Agreed, lug to lug also needs to go down. I get what you mean, but having a thinner case doesn't mean they need to sacrifice other aspects of it. All it needs is a bit of R&D. Look at the competition, if Rolex, Tudor, GO etc. can do it, so can Omega.

They managed to integrate a coaxial escapement into the speedmaster and thus created perhaps the best moonwatch yet. All they have to do is apply the same effort to the seamaster.

ErichPryde

I havr to agree. If the Seamaster could come down to 13 to 13.4mm with a nice domed crystal, with a 40 or 41 mm case and a 48 mm lug to lug, it might just manage to be perfect enough to make everyone just a little bit unhappy.

Everyone, that is, on this forum. I've almost never see anyone on Reddit's Omega sub complain about the 42 mm size of the Seamaster Pro.