Ploprof Case Orientation - the (disputed) final word

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running in circles here ....

the NSU Prince was able to drive backwards as fast as forward due to his gearbox, but for sure was not intended to do 100km/h (pretty fast for our non metric members) in reverse .... so just because one can do it still doesn't make it right.
 
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running in circles here ....

the NSU Prince was able to drive backwards as fast as forward due to his gearbox, but for sure was not intended to do 100km/h (pretty fast for our non metric members) in reverse .... so just because one can do it still doesn't make it right.

Or that little DAF as well...... kind regards. achim

And not to be outdone, the Aussies made a car with 4 forward and 4 reverse gears.

To quote a review:

"Reversing is done by reversing the engine cycle; the ignition had to be switched off, the key pushed in (when the amber "reverse" light went on) and the four gears used in the normal way, but in reverse. The gearbox setup meant that the car could go as fast in reverse as it could forward, at a death-defying 50 mph (or, according to manufacturer specifications, 60 mph)". 😵‍💫

It wasn't a good handling car in forward gears, imagine the colour of the driver's seat if you selected the wrong reverse gear! 😲

Behold..........the Lightburn Zeta

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Haha......memories.

One of my troops had one, probably late 1980s, I think it spent more time on jacks than it did on the road.

He was always went on about how good it was because you could fit a 44 in the boot (44 = 200 litre steel drum).

So one day, while he was on flight line shift, a few of the comedy team (my trouble makers) got a fork lift and a 44 spreader bar and a 44 full of kero, took it to the car park, opened his boot and loaded the 44. It actually fitted!

Poor old Shagger couldn't figure out what was wrong with his car when he went to drive home.
 
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Haha......memories.

One of my troops had one, probably late 1980s, I think it spent more time on jacks than it did on the road.

He was always went on about how good it was because you could fit a 44 in the boot (44 = 200 litre steel drum).

So one day, while he was on flight line shift, a few of the comedy team (my trouble makers) got a fork lift and a 44 spreader bar and a 44 full of kero, took it to the car park, opened his boot and loaded the 44. It actually fitted!

Poor old Shagger couldn't figure out what was wrong with his car when he went to drive home.

There's some memories! The Wedge as it was called. I had a grape/purple coloured one. Engine was great except on hot days whne it would stall - found out the fuel line ran along side the block head and the heat would cause the fuel to...I don't know...evaporate 👎 anyway it would just roll to a stop with no fuel getting into the carby. Solution was asbestos sheeting between the fuel line and the block. Lots of room in that car that's for sure, and you could easily get more than a few mates into the boot for the drive-in movies. The window handles wouldn't stay on, the windows would just drop into the door cavity if the car door was slammed too hard and on and on it went...but I loved that heap of Leyland shite. 😁 Wasn't it a joint venture with Leyland Australia and another company?

Not mine, but similar and far more ratty and faded.

Btw, not a destro to keep with the thread.

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Tell them how good the P76 was

Wheels car of the year in 1973 ::facepalm1::

I'd hate to think what the other contenders were like!

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Wheels car of the year in 1973 ::facepalm1::

I'd hate to think what the other contenders were like!


Looks so much like the first Mitsubishi Magna (1984?). Ahead of it's time. 😉
 
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This is information directly from the Omega Extranet, their in-house computer reference system, I have an Omega authorised workshop....

'The Ploprof with case ref. 166.0077 exists in 2 versions. One with crown at 3 o’clock and one with crown at 9 o’clock.
The engraving in the caseback is the only reference point to tell which version you should have. The triangular OMEGA engraving is always facing up.'

Thanks so much for collecting this data on the extranet.

Really great to see some in house sources to support a conclusion.
 
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Here's my 0.02 Euro cts.

I have read in an article (that I cannot find anymore unfortunately) the discussion someone had with a former employee of the Omega "Bureau Technique habillement". He recalls that the original design of the Ploprof was what we now call "reversed", that is with winding crown at 3 'oclock, like a normal watch. That seems to be confirmed by the inside caseback triangular stamp of the prototypes, that was shown before.



But apparently, the first tests showed that there were practical problems with that design: for instance, the very large crown shoulders impeded the divers left hand movements; also, when they wanted to set the time, the divers tried to do it with the watch still on the wrist, which sometimes resulted in pulling the whole winding stem out of the case (the ploprof owners will know what I mean 😟). I don't remember anything about handling the bezel with one hand only, but that makes sense also.

So it was immedialtely decided to reverse the watch, in order to solve these issues. That probably included the prototypes that came back for service, I imagine.

That theory - I have read the story, but I was not there at the time, so I cannot call it a fact - would explain pretty much everything, including the existence of some very early prototypes that remained in that "inverted" configuration.

In addition: here's a sketch of the Ploprof case structure, taken from an Omega document. It clearly shows a watch with the winding crown on the... right:
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Here's my 0.02 Euro cts.

I have read in an article (that I cannot find anymore unfortunately) the discussion someone had with a former employee of the Omega "Bureau Technique habillement". He recalls that the original design of the Ploprof was what we now call "reversed", that is with winding crown at 3 'oclock, like a normal watch. That seems to be confirmed by the inside caseback triangular stamp of the prototypes, that was shown before.

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But apparently, the first tests showed that there were practical problems with that design: for instance, the very large crown shoulders impeded the divers left hand movements; also, when they wanted to set the time, they tried to do it with the watch still on the wrist, which sometimes resulted in pulling the whole winding stem out of the case (the ploprof owners will know what I mean 😟). I don't remember anything about handling the bezel with one hand only, but that makes sense also.

So it was immedialtely decided to reverse the watch, in order to solve these issues. That probably included the prototypes that came back for service, I imagine.

That theory - I have read the story, but I was not there at the time, so I cannot call it a fact - would explain pretty much everything, including the existence of some very early prototypes that remained in that configuration.

In addition: here's a sketch of the Ploprof case structure, taken from an Omega document. It clearly shows a watch with the winding crown on the... right:


That those 2 Ploprof photos are mirror images further muddy the waters!
 
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That those 2 Ploprof photos are mirror images further muddy the waters!

Right, I have edited my post and replaced the picture by another one, more suitable to make my point
 
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Can anyone tell me if "upside down" markings on the case always mean that the watch left the factory in the inverted configation?
And does someone know for sure if those inverted watches with upside down markings have any mention of their crown position on the extract?
Cheers & thx for your help😀
 
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Can anyone tell me if "upside down" markings on the case always mean that the watch left the factory in the inverted configation?
And does someone know for sure if those inverted watches with upside down markings have any mention of their crown position on the extract?
Cheers & thx for your help😀
That’s the hundred dollar question.

one person claims it says one thing on the extranet (omega in-house data) but other people with access have not commented.

there are arguments for and against that the stamping orientation denotes how it left the factory.

At this time either orientation is accepted as long as the date wheel is the correct one for the orientation.
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What about stamp upside down and crown to the (regular) 9 o’clock position? Just a case with a stamp with the wrong orientation caused by a simple mistake in the case factory? It is rather unsatisfying to not find a definite answer with reliable sources.

Who has access to this Extranet information? Is there any point to ask omega/ the museum for a confirmation? Could I ask my Omega level 3 certified, independent watchmaker to check for me? If one person claims to have seen this on the extranet, there must be someone to confirm (if I understand it correctly, it should be the same website for each person who is a registered user. I imagine it to be like a smaller version of e.g. Wikipedia with limited access...)?
 
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What about stamp upside down and crown to the (regular) 9 o’clock position? Just a case with a stamp with the wrong orientation caused by a simple mistake in the case factory? It is rather unsatisfying to not find a definite answer with reliable sources.

Who has access to this Extranet information? Is there any point to ask omega/ the museum for a confirmation? Could I ask my Omega level 3 certified, independent watchmaker to check for me? If one person claims to have seen this on the extranet, there must be someone to confirm (if I understand it correctly, it should be the same website for each person who is a registered user. I imagine it to be like a smaller version of e.g. Wikipedia with limited access...)?
Read through this thread, and most likely.