Please opinions and thoughts on this Omega Speedmaster

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Could you, generous and knowledgeable collectors, help me evaluate this speedmaster date.
What do you think? polished or not? dial ok? condition ok? What do you make of that orangish patina on the back and side? anything i don't see?
Also: if one cannot afford a professional, what do you think of the sppedmaster date?
Thank you so much!
 
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“Orange patina” is dirt. Looks to be in good condition. These use good movements, so no worries there.
 
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Hi Archer.
New to the forum here.
I've just posted under the "help please" thread.
Don't know if I did it correctly so if you don't mind I will ask again.

This the watch I just bought . The seller claims it's all original.
Do you concur?
Supposed to be a 1969 18k Seamaster Geneve.
Cal 565.
 
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You can not afford a professional many people goes for the "reduced" version. Personally i also like "Speedster date" version and this one from the pictures i like more because it has the black bezel..
 
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I've just posted under the "help please" thread.
Don't know if I did it correctly so if you don't mind I will ask again.
If you back out to the "Vintage Omega..." forum, there should be a button at the top of the page that says "New Thread". You should get better answers if you post your question in its own thread.
 
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“Orange patina” is dirt. Looks to be in good condition. These use good movements, so no worries there.
Thank you for your thoughts.
What is the best and most appropriate way to clean dirt (wrist cheese) from a watch? How do you get between the bezel and the pushers etc?
 
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If you back out to the "Vintage Omega..." forum, there should be a button at the top of the page that says "New Thread". You should get better answers if you post your question in its own thread.


Thanks... Amazingly I didn't see the new thread button until I Click on desktop version on my phone
 
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Thank you for your thoughts.
What is the best and most appropriate way to clean dirt (wrist cheese) from a watch? How do you get between the bezel and the pushers etc?



A full service includes this
 
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If one wants a Speedmaster Pro and settles for a Speedmaster Date (or Reduced), one is likely to be disappointed and will not be happy and still want to buy the Speedmaster Pro. They will eventually buy the Speedmaster Pro, dump the Speedmaster Date at a loss, and spend more money overall.

I’m going to throw some numbers at you to show you what I mean. I know a lot of people don’t like buying a watch on credit (even though they’d not have a second thought of buying a car for 10x the price on credit), but if you really, really want it now, know you will keep it, sometimes the finance charges are worth the pleasure of having the watch NOW rather than waiting. And can sometimes even be cheaper than buying something you don’t want and waiting to get what you do.

Let’s look at the situation you propose. Looking on EBay, I see several from Japanese sellers that have the Date listed for about $1800. I’ll use that as a price and assume you pay cash. I won’t bother including shipping fees, any duty owned for importing, or local taxes.

Great now you have the Speedmaster you didn’t really dream of, but it has Speedmaster on the dial. But you can really start saving for the watch you want. Let’s say you can save $250/month toward the watch at the current list price for the hesalite version ($6400). That’s a little over 2 years. Let’s just say 2 years.

Great. In two years you can get the Speedmaster Pro. But you don’t plan that in those two years Omega increases their prices twice, and it’s now $7000 retail (just speculating). Oh, and that Speedmaster date suddenly stops working — it is 20 years old, remember? Do you service it (at $750, assuming by Omega), or try to sell not working? How much will you get for it. Probably nowhere near the $1800 you paid. Let’s say you service it and sell for $1500 — you’re not a dealer and just some guy selling an old watch on EBay. That’s a net to you of $750 in the sale (and again, not counting EBay and paypal fees, shipping, all of which take a chunk of change). Or sell it not working for $750. Either way, you have an overall loss of $1050 (because you paid $1800 originally!). But then, you pay $7000 for the watch you do want, so overall, you have paid $8050 before you can own the Speedmaster Pro you really wanted.

Now, let’s see if you had financed that purchase with a credit card with a 19.99 % APR rate. That’s quite high, and I bet you can get a card with a lower rate, or do financing at a lower rate through the watch dealer. I’ll assume you use that $1800 you would have spent on the Speedmaster Date towards the purchase. I also assume you pay $250 towards the debt each month to pay it down in 2 years. You will have paid $6400 + $1030 of finance charges = $7430 in total.

Based on these relatively reasonable numbers, you would have paid about $500 less for the Speedmaster Pro you really wanted by financing it AND you would have enjoyed it immediately. And that is priceless.

Not trying to disparage anyone from buying a Speedmaster Date if you really like it, or encouraging anyone to go into debt they can’t afford. But I do encourage everyone to carefully consider what they actually want and do some simple calculations to determine the best approach to get the watch they actually want.
 
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well, i did not get the watch.
it sold for $3,500 (including premium) at auction.
Am i missing something? Was it a spectacular piece? is the speedmaster date popular? I am confused
 
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What did you expect the price to be based on your research? Did you look at comp sales of the exact same reference with the same accessories? Sometimes people get emotional and pay too much, or maybe that is the market value. It's really up to you to do your research. It shouldn't be too hard, since there are many of them for sale on the internet.
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well, i did not get the watch.
it sold for $3,500 (including premium) at auction.
Am i missing something? Was it a spectacular piece? is the speedmaster date popular? I am confused

you are lucky, then, because that is about twice what the watch is worth. There are too many ignorant people with money getting into the watch buying game and driving up prices on everything. As I said in my previous post, you can get these for under $2k from many online sellers, if you really want one. But if you want the Pro, I’d still suggest just going for that, as you will be better off in the long run.