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Please help.....ST.145.012 info required
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·No need to apologize, that's the best part of this forum, and how I learned what I know. The "feet" are locating pins on the back of the brass dial plate
Images from: https://tambowatches.com/can-you-put-an-861-dial-on-321-movement/
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·Following on from this thread almost a year later…
I spoke to my dad about the watch last night and he informed me it went back to omega for a service in the early to mid 70’s when he was stationed in Gibraltar as it got moisture in it, so Im thinking that is where the 220 bezel got replaced as the date seems about right, he wasn’t aware they had fitted a new bezel as they didn’t send the old one back which would have been a DON bezel. I’m also guessing that is when a ‘service’ dial was fitted, again he wasn’t aware of that getting replaced either - I may be totally wrong about this as some members are saying it’s a fake / refinished dial. This dial to me looks similar to one on another recent thread about a 105.012 watch, apologies I don’t know how to link other threads.
I spoke to my dad about the watch last night and he informed me it went back to omega for a service in the early to mid 70’s when he was stationed in Gibraltar as it got moisture in it, so Im thinking that is where the 220 bezel got replaced as the date seems about right, he wasn’t aware they had fitted a new bezel as they didn’t send the old one back which would have been a DON bezel. I’m also guessing that is when a ‘service’ dial was fitted, again he wasn’t aware of that getting replaced either - I may be totally wrong about this as some members are saying it’s a fake / refinished dial. This dial to me looks similar to one on another recent thread about a 105.012 watch, apologies I don’t know how to link other threads.
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·This is the post I am referring to above
What to do with my Speedmaster Professional 105.012 65
What to do with my Speedmaster Professional 105.012 65
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··Oooo subtitles!That dial is terrible, it wasn't redone by Omega, You have hit on the truth there in that maybe a local Gib watchmaker did the dial. Whatever, it is quite frankly awful. The watch is still full of family history for you which is great but understand that the collector community recoils when they see things like this. I speak as the owner of a 60s NAAFI sold Speedy...
I am speaking harshly here in case you have any lingering ideas that your watch was done by the factory, better you understand it certainly wasn't.
I am speaking harshly here in case you have any lingering ideas that your watch was done by the factory, better you understand it certainly wasn't.
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·@padders thanks for the reply.
It sounds like my dad was told it was going back to omega but it didn’t actually go back and the watchmaker did whatever he did and also ordered a service bezel in and fitted it at the same time?
Also, do you think this dial looks too new to be from the early 70’s?
It sounds like my dad was told it was going back to omega but it didn’t actually go back and the watchmaker did whatever he did and also ordered a service bezel in and fitted it at the same time?
Also, do you think this dial looks too new to be from the early 70’s?
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··Oooo subtitles!The watch is from 1968, the dial is later, but that is irrelevant since it was redone ie repainted. The bracelet was made in London by Shackman.
What is it you are still hoping to hear?
What is it you are still hoping to hear?
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·@padders. Thanks for coming back to me.
The bracelet is original, the clasp is shackmans. My dad recalls having this repaired as the original 1039 clasp broke, he had the original clasp but it got lost in a house move along with the original red box, but fortunately the paperwork was in another box.
I’m just trying to investigate when the dial was replaced, I’m under no illusion that it is missing the original all important dial which is a shame - not from a money side of it, but from an originality side of it, as the watch will never be for sale, my modern watches will go before this does.
The bracelet is original, the clasp is shackmans. My dad recalls having this repaired as the original 1039 clasp broke, he had the original clasp but it got lost in a house move along with the original red box, but fortunately the paperwork was in another box.
I’m just trying to investigate when the dial was replaced, I’m under no illusion that it is missing the original all important dial which is a shame - not from a money side of it, but from an originality side of it, as the watch will never be for sale, my modern watches will go before this does.
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·Great analysis here by @ngdal. The first thing I noticed was the O’s in Professional. Original has less rounded shape. And of course original scripts have much better serifs. Easy to spot when have well focused photo.
Despite the watch not having original parts I would never sell it. I intend to pass some watches to my daughters too one day if they are interested.
Despite the watch not having original parts I would never sell it. I intend to pass some watches to my daughters too one day if they are interested.
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·I’m just trying to investigate when the dial was replaced, I’m under no illusion that it is missing the original all important dial which is a shame - not from a money side of it, but from an originality side of it, as the watch will never be for sale, my modern watches will go before this does.
As you previously speculated, it's plausible that the dial was repainted by a local shop during repairs in the 1970s, since your father indicates that there was water intrusion, which often causes significant dial damage. However, there is really no way to determine this by looking at the watch. Only your father might potentially remember. Most likely the dial was damaged at some point, he brought the watch in for repair, and it was returned with an undamaged dial. Perhaps this might ring a bell for him, but honestly these details tend to fade with time. Unless I keep records, I can't always remember what was done to a watch even 10 years ago.
In any case, the date of the repair is of no practical consequence IMO. The watch was worn by your father in its current form for many years, and that fact either has sentimental value for you or it doesn't. If you would prefer to return it to a more original state, that can be done by purchasing period-correct parts.
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·As you previously speculated, it's plausible that the dial was repainted by a local shop during repairs in the 1970s, since your father indicates that there was water intrusion, which often causes significant dial damage. However, there is really no way to determine this by looking at the watch. Only your father might potentially remember. Most likely the dial was damaged at some point, he brought the watch in for repair, and it was returned with an undamaged dial. Perhaps this might ring a bell for him, but honestly these details tend to fade with time. Unless I keep records, I can't always remember what was done to a watch even 10 years ago.
In any case, the date of the repair is of no practical consequence IMO. The watch was worn by your father in its current form for many years, and that fact either has sentimental value for you or it doesn't. If you would prefer to return it to a more original state, that can be done by purchasing period-correct parts.
yes it has great sentimental value to me, I was just curious about the dial. I only ever remember it looking like it does and I’m currently happy to leave it as it is and I wear it with pride, I may replace it at some point, i do intend to get the original bracelet fixed though as my dad had it on its original bracelet until a few years ago. Thank you for the message
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·Great analysis here by @ngdal. The first thing I noticed was the O’s in Professional. Original has less rounded shape. And of course original scripts have much better serifs. Easy to spot when have well focused photo.
Despite the watch not having original parts I would never sell it. I intend to pass some watches to my daughters too one day if they are interested.
mine doesn’t have any serifs! The font on mine looks a lot more modern.
I have no intention on selling it, and want to pass it on too, I hope for you your daughters do take an interest
Cheers
Dan
