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Please help.....ST.145.012 info required
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·Looks less wonky in this pic, yet height and alignment of the T SWISS MADE T is wrong.
Compare to these 3 other ones. (Yours is bottom right).
If it is indeed a redial it is a decent effort, but no medal...
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··@SpeedyBirthYearRedial (at best) or a fake dial.
The applied metal logo shape is wrong.
OMEGA Speedmaster PROFESIONAL print is wrong.
@ndgal , thanks for pointing the differences out so clearly in the pics.
Zoning in on the font a bit more; this is the first - and only - 145.012-67 I've ever seen which has a round m in Speedmaster, which resembles a 105.012 close-T dial (but without the close-T around Swiss Made). From my experience, this one should have a pointed m. Ever seen something like this before?
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·@ndgal , thanks for pointing the differences out so clearly in the pics.
Zoning in on the font a bit more; this is the first - and only - 145.012-67 I've ever seen which has a round m in Speedmaster, which resembles a 105.012 close-T dial (but without the close-T around Swiss Made). From my experience, this one should have a pointed m. Ever seen something like this before?
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··@SpeedyBirthYearHi, how do you know it’s a 145.012-67 and not a 145.012-68? I’m not trying to catch you out or to be funny. I’m genuinely interested. Is there even a difference between the 2 years. Thanks
Hi @Dan321 ,
AFAIK, the only difference between these two references is the caseback stamping, also, the 145.012-68 is the more rare one.
I only meant to point out a difference between the 145.012 (regardless of -67 or -68) and the 105.012 in terms of dial printing. The last 105.012, i.e. the 105.012-66, came with two dial variants;
- one resembling the 145.012 one with 'spaced-T's', similarly spaced to yours and a pointed m, and
- an earlier one with 'close-T's and a more rounded m font in the word Speedmaster.
Interestingly, your dial seems a bit of a blend between the two and hence the suspicions on the originality of it. That said, it's certainly not an unattractive dial in my eyes and give the provenance you describe, I would be surprised to see this being a redial.
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·Hi @Dan321 ,
AFAIK, the only difference between these two references is the caseback stamping, also, the 145.012-68 is the more rare one.
I only meant to point out a difference between the 145.012 (regardless of -67 or -68) and the 105.012 in terms of dial printing. The last 105.012, i.e. the 105.012-66, came with two dial variants;
- one resembling the 145.012 one with 'spaced-T's', similarly spaced to yours and a pointed m, and
- an earlier one with 'close-T's and a more rounded m font in the word Speedmaster.
Interestingly, your dial seems a bit of a blend between the two and hence the suspicions on the originality of it. That said, it's certainly not an unattractive dial in my eyes and give the provenance you describe, I would be surprised to see this being a redial.
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··@SpeedyBirthYearThank you, in your opinion do you think this is the original dial or have I misinterpreted what you have said?
Well, I am not quite sure. I’ve certainly never seen the exact dial you have.
If your provenance is correct, it is hard to doubt it’s originality. The usual justification for faking or redialing is value and the Speedmaster values weren’t that high historically. Relative to the age of this watch, the values have only quite recently shot up.
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·The absence of serifs in the "PROFESSIONAL" font seems to be the most obvious tell IMO. I just looked at my 145.012-67 and it has the same font as the examples that @ndgal posted. It's quite interesting to discover the lives that these watches have led, even when held by the same person for a long time.
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·The absence of serifs in the "PROFESSIONAL" font seems to be the most obvious tell. IMO I just looked at my 145.012-67 and it has the same font as the examples that @ndgal posted. It's quite interesting to discover the lives that these watches have led, even when held by the same person for a long time.
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·@ndgal , thanks for pointing the differences out so clearly in the pics.
Zoning in on the font a bit more; this is the first - and only - 145.012-67 I've ever seen which has a round m in Speedmaster, which resembles a 105.012 close-T dial (but without the close-T around Swiss Made). From my experience, this one should have a pointed m. Ever seen something like this before?
The font of the OMEGA Speedmaster PROFESSIONAL is totally wrong. In addition, the alignment between the lines of text is completely off.
The applied metal logo shape is off, and the legs are longer.
The T SWISS MADE T font is wrong as well. It sits lower than it should and again the alignment with the hash marks is off.
Hope this helps! 😀
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·Interestingly, your dial seems a bit of a blend between the two and hence the suspicions on the originality of it. That said, it's certainly not an unattractive dial in my eyes and give the provenance you describe, I would be surprised to see this being a redial.
He mentioned that the crystal was cracked.
I know it has had a new glass fitted as the original got chipped and eventually cracked years later,
It is possible that moisture got in there, damaged the dial, and a watchmaker decided that it could use a refinish.
It looks like whoever refinished this dial was inspired by a "Narrow T" dial, but still did not quite hit the mark...
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·He mentioned that the crystal was cracked.
It is possible that moisture got in there, damaged the dial, and a watchmaker decided that it could use a refinish.
It looks like whoever refinished this dial was inspired by a "Narrow T" dial, but still did not quite hit the mark...
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·Another difference between a '67 and '68 dial are the feet on the back of the dial, you can't interchange them.
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·Sorry please excuse my lack of knowledge what are the feet? Are they on the inside of the watch?
Images from: https://tambowatches.com/can-you-put-an-861-dial-on-321-movement/
