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·i noticed the back of the case says "patent applied" vs a number...could that further explain an older version of 1956 / 501 movement?
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·Need larger and higher definition pictures. The case looks good to me, as does the movement.
The one thing I would say is that if correct, this example would be the first one I've seen in almost 20 years of collecting that had a true pie-pan dial over a Cal. 501 chronometer movement.
The pie-pan dial was introduced around 1956. By that time, the Cal. 501 had been replaced in the Constellation by the Cal. 505 with a higher jewel count and improved automatic assembly.
gatorcpa
Hi, @gatorcpa ,
I am not sure that the one I owned also included?
The pie-pan dial of ref.2887-1 (the earliest batch of ref.2887) with serial no. 14,97x,xxx and cal.501 (19 jewels).
However, the case was too overpolished and the movement need to be serviced.😲
best,
Teerapat
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorI did not consider the Ref. 2887. Those had pretty much any combination of dials and movements that you can think of.
However, the OP's watch is not a Ref. 2887. It is a Ref. 2852.
I should have been more careful there.
Thanks,
gatorcpa
However, the OP's watch is not a Ref. 2887. It is a Ref. 2852.
I should have been more careful there.
Thanks,
gatorcpa
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qazwsx1
·Hi @gatorcpa ,
I also found this very nice steel case (ref.2852-5) with complete box, paper, tags and accompanied by its original sales receipt.
By the way, the original price was only 67.50$ 😲.
The link: https://www.craftandtailored.com/pr...stellation-ref-2852-5-sc-cal-501-w-box-papers
Thanks,
Teerapat
I also found this very nice steel case (ref.2852-5) with complete box, paper, tags and accompanied by its original sales receipt.
By the way, the original price was only 67.50$ 😲.
The link: https://www.craftandtailored.com/pr...stellation-ref-2852-5-sc-cal-501-w-box-papers
Thanks,
Teerapat
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Bikerider
·Hi @gatorcpa ,
I also found this very nice steel case (ref.2852-5) with complete box, paper, tags and accompanied by its original sales receipt.
By the way, the original price was only 67.50$ 😲.
The link: https://www.craftandtailored.com/pr...stellation-ref-2852-5-sc-cal-501-w-box-papers
Thanks,
Teerapat
Very cool! thanks for posting...
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·What about the bricks? I've read on (Omega Constellation Collectors) papers ((I think)) that a tell-tail sign of a fake caseback would be missing the bricks on the observatory BUT I see some posting here guys showing their Constellations and some don't have the bricks. Are there only certain years when Omega included and did not include bricks?
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·What about the bricks? I've read on (Omega Constellation Collectors) papers ((I think)) that a tell-tail sign of a fake caseback would be missing the bricks on the observatory BUT I see some posting here guys showing their Constellations and some don't have the bricks. Are there only certain years when Omega included and did not include bricks?
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MtV
·It’s certainly dependent on the reference - you’ll find plenty of 1960s Constellation reference with SS cases and brick medallions. For 2852s, I’m yet to see a correct brick medallion in a non-solid-gold case.
Cal. 501s were used for 2852s over a serial stretch of hundreds of thousands. So really not that rare at all, I should even have a few EotAs for proof in case someone is in disbelief. Love the “rabbit hole” though, to use @gatorcpa words, and have been collecting serials and data of 2852s for quite a while. I’ll bring it all together in a post at some point, maybe the serials along with infos such as caliber, crown style (clover or thick decagonal), dial form and layout, style of indices, -er or -re spelling of chronometre, straight or angled M, case material and sub reference will be helpful to some. My idea was to include example pictures and some explanations in the post, though, and that’ll take a while to produce.
Cal. 501s were used for 2852s over a serial stretch of hundreds of thousands. So really not that rare at all, I should even have a few EotAs for proof in case someone is in disbelief. Love the “rabbit hole” though, to use @gatorcpa words, and have been collecting serials and data of 2852s for quite a while. I’ll bring it all together in a post at some point, maybe the serials along with infos such as caliber, crown style (clover or thick decagonal), dial form and layout, style of indices, -er or -re spelling of chronometre, straight or angled M, case material and sub reference will be helpful to some. My idea was to include example pictures and some explanations in the post, though, and that’ll take a while to produce.
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorA short answer is that the bricks show up on solid gold constellations. But I know that's an insufficient answer because I'm pretty sure there are exceptions. But most (all? Maybe not) steel or gold-capped cases don't have bricks. A longer answer from the experts is likely coming soon. I'm pretty sure the answers are on other threads, too, if you try searching the forums.
Third generation ("C" cases only, cal. 55X, 56X and 751), no bricks on solid gold (14K or 18K), bricks on steel or gold-capped.
After that, each case reference has its own rules.
gatorcpa
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersFirst and second generations Constellations (cal. 50X, 55X, 56X), no bricks on steel or gold-capped versions, bricks on solid gold (14K or 18K).
Third generation ("C" cases only, cal. 55X, 56X and 751), no bricks on solid gold (14K or 18K), bricks on steel or gold-capped.
After that, each case reference has its own rules.
gatorcpa
I know what @gatorcpa means but the second statement about third generation references might be confusing to some.
For clarity, around 1966 Omega swapped the brickwork observatory from brickwork for gold cases to brickwork for non-precious metal cases (including gold cap)
[Note -this is for most but there are some gold case and non-precious outliers that retained or omitted the brickwork the observatory.]
The change included C-cases, 168.010s, late 168.004s, 168.016s, 168.018s. -all are 561s, 564s or 751s.
The monocoque 167.015/025 (cal 551) and 168.015/025 (cal 564) have some variation in consistency, as do the 60s super-thin Constellations (e.g. 167.021, cal 712) - so shouldn't be dismissed if they don't follow the norm of having brickwork observatories.
I don't recall ever seeing a 60s non-precious dogleg with a brickwork observatory, which is odd because they changed the contemporaneous 168.004 - but if someone has one.....
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersWhat about the bricks? I've read on (Omega Constellation Collectors) papers ((I think)) that a tell-tail sign of a fake caseback would be missing the bricks on the observatory BUT I see some posting here guys showing their Constellations and some don't have the bricks. Are there only certain years when Omega included and did not include bricks?
Have a look at Desmond's splendid essay on the subject
http://omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com/2008/03/constellation-medallions.html
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Bikerider
·Thanks. It seems every time I learn something it reveals something else I didn't know...
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersyou're welcome and we've all been there
- and it never stops as there is always some new quirk or some tidbit about Constellations that you didn't know revealing itself.
But that is what is so good about the collective knowledge on OF.
