Pie Pan Constellation found at Antique Store Seeking Opinions

Peemacgee · Dec 12, 2020

All I can say is that I don’t care about DJs or any other kind of formal evening wear for that matter.

I’m more than happy that Constellations remain under-appreciated and less expensive than other (apparently) equivalent watches.

Why would anybody want to pay more for something they collect?
Kudos ?
Bragging rights?
Profit?

let the Roly-boys play in their sandpit - the water here is just fine.

septentrio · Dec 12, 2020

Davidt
The fact is this has no bracelet and the case is overpolished.

septentrio
I’m not saying that this example is a 2k euro watch. As specified, the case is too far gone for that. Sharp lugs are a hugely important factor with these watches. But saying it is a 1,2k watch, or comparing with a far less desirable 168.004, just does not make sense.

As you can see I agreed to that a while back already 😉

septentrio · Dec 12, 2020

Peemacgee
I’m more than happy that Constellations remain under-appreciated and less expensive than other (apparently) equivalent watches.

My point is that this is changing, and that general pricing advice given on this forum might be stuck in the past a bit 😉

Just look at this one for example:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/264953939837

pricing achieved is prior to service and prior to inspecting the dial irl. Quite high, no?

cristos71 · Dec 12, 2020

septentrio
My point is that this is changing, and that general pricing advice given on this forum might be stuck in the past a bit 😉

Just look at this one for example:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/264953939837

pricing achieved is prior to service and prior to inspecting the dial irl. Quite high, no?

Yes, but this is a perfect example of the difference in condition between watches of the same reference. The Ebay watch does have crisp, sharp chamfers on the lugs and a BOR bracelet. A great example of a watch that cosmetically only needs 5 minutes with Polywatch and a rub down with a warm damp cloth to be back in showroom condition. I'd say that one is well worth the money.

edit: I forgot to add a picture of the Ebay watch to emphasize the better case condition

septentrio · Dec 12, 2020

If it was not yet clear by now => I know and concur with the very relevant difference in condition 😀

Shabbaz · Dec 12, 2020

septentrio
3k, yes, maybe. That is the price for a very very nice arrowhead. But 2k is not that strange for a mint SS piepan imho. Not at all even.

If someone has a sharp unpolished 167 or 168.005 with mint dial, onyx inserts, and matching serial, than I am ready to throw 2k at that. You can DM me right away!!

For a mint one I could understand 2k. But then it needs to be really mint and not mint in the sence of 90% of the sales adds

Shabbaz · Dec 12, 2020

It was not that long ago I could snatch perfect fine SS pie pans every week for under $ 1500/1600. But I must admit I've been out of the pie pan game for a while.

Scooterino36 · Dec 12, 2020

padders
So we have supposedly out of touch old timers facing off against naive youngsters who are too impatient to do their homework and wait for the right deal to come along at a sensible price.

Hunting and waiting is indeed a lost art, and something not intuitive to my “buy-it-now” generation. “Research twice, purchase once” is a philosophy I’ve tried to adopt recently.

hoipolloi · Dec 12, 2020

ConElPueblo
I sold this one for <2K€ recently:

Serviced and running perfectly.

Link please.

gatorcpa · Dec 12, 2020

cristos71
So if you US guys are discussing a piece for sale in the US with say a $1000 price tag there will always be some kind of sales tax/VAT added to the price later? I'm assuming that can only be from a business seller, right?

In the US, all prices are quoted pre-tax. Doesn’t matter if from a private seller or from Walmart. All advertising is customarily done without sales tax.

The reason for this is unlike the European VAT system, there is no offset of sales tax on purchases. Every state has its own sales tax rate. A few states do not have sales tax at all. Most states also allow for county add-on sales tax of an extra 0.5% to 2.0%. Texas has add-on tax by school district. So driving a few miles could result in a small savings.

Since sales tax is technically the responsibility of the buyer, states generally allow casual sellers in private sales (like many of us here on OF) to avoid become their tax collection agents. Likewise, many states have lax enforcement of sales tax laws on private transactions as well. But once you register your business, you become a tax collector for your home state and are required to collect and remit sales tax unless you sell to another registered business.

Clear as mud, right? Welcome to America!
gatorcpa

Eve · Dec 12, 2020

gatorcpa
In the US, all prices are quoted pre-tax. Doesn’t matter if from a private seller or from Walmart. All advertising is customarily done without sales tax.

The reason for this is unlike the European VAT system, there is no offset of sales tax on purchases. Every state has its own sales tax rate. A few states do not have sales tax at all.

Most states also allow for county add-on sales tax of an extra 0.5% to 2.0%. Texas has add-on tax by school district. So driving a few miles could result in a small savings.
gatorcpa

Good to know, i was allways wondering why the US deals look often so attractive and Europe prices are totally inflated.

gatorcpa · Dec 12, 2020

Eve
Good to know, i was allways wondering why the US deals look often so attractive and Europe prices are totally inflated.

I forgot one thing...if you purchase an item here on eBay and have it sent outside the US, there is no sales tax at all.

But then you’ll need to deal with your country’s customs people who, as I understand it, are quite tax happy!
gatorcpa

hoipolloi · Dec 12, 2020

gatorcpa
I forgot one thing...if you purchase an item here on eBay and have it sent outside the US, there is no sales tax at all.

But then you’ll need to deal with your country’s customs people who, as I understand it, are quite tax happy!
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I am from Canada and when I buy from a US seller , there are 2 situations
1/ if seller involve in global shipping program, eBay will charge me shipping cost from the seller to global shipping center and from global shipping center to me AND import tax to Canada.
2/ if sellers do not involve in global shipping program, he will ship it to me directly and I have to handle import tax myself, how much? Depends on my luck. Sometimes nothing.

cristos71 · Dec 12, 2020

gatorcpa
In the US, all prices are quoted pre-tax. Doesn’t matter if from a private seller or from Walmart. All advertising is customarily done without sales tax.

The reason for this is unlike the European VAT system, there is no offset of sales tax on purchases. Every state has its own sales tax rate. A few states do not have sales tax at all. Most states also allow for county add-on sales tax of an extra 0.5% to 2.0%. Texas has add-on tax by school district. So driving a few miles could result in a small savings.

Since sales tax is technically the responsibility of the buyer, states generally allow casual sellers in private sales (like many of us here on OF) to avoid become their tax collection agents. Likewise, many states have lax enforcement of sales tax laws on private transactions as well. But once you register your business, you become a tax collector for your home state and are required to collect and remit sales tax unless you sell to another registered business.

Clear as mud, right? Welcome to America!
gatorcpa

Ok, just to check I've got this right: in principle a listing here on OF by a private seller in the US in the Private Watch Sales Forum is actually listed pre sales tax and there should always be a sales tax added on top of the listed price, the rate being variable depending on which state they are in. But, in practice, due to lax enforcement and/or the state allowing a casual seller not to be a tax collector for the state, the tax is neither added to the final price nor collected?

MtV · Dec 12, 2020

Unless the watch is exported, in which case there’s no sales tax to be paid in the US, but import taxes (in Canada, in your case).

ConElPueblo · Dec 12, 2020

hoipolloi
Link please.

Sold it via PM before setting up a sales advert.

padders · Dec 12, 2020

cristos71
Ok, just to check I've got this right: in principle a listing here on OF by a private seller in the US in the Private Watch Sales Forum is actually listed pre sales tax and there should always be a sales tax added on top of the listed price, the rate being variable depending on which state they are in. But, in practice, due to lax enforcement and/or the state allowing a casual seller not to be a tax collector for the state, the tax is neither added to the final price nor collected?

If the seller is listing in Private Sales then it should by definition* be a non commercial sale of a used item. No sales tax is levied on private sales between individuals like this in the US or anywhere else to my knowledge. Dealer sales of used items can attract sales tax. In the UK VAT is liable in many cases on the profit margin the dealer makes under the so called Margin Scheme. Import duty or tariffs when an item, private or commercial is shipped internationally is a different thing altogether.

*if you see someone selling commercially in Private Sales, they shouldn't IMO be listing there in the first place since it isn't by definition a Private Sale.

gatorcpa · Dec 12, 2020

padders
No sales tax is levied on private sales between individuals like this in the US or anywhere else to my knowledge.

In most jurisdictions, there is an annual dollar value limit on sales to be considered a private vendor, but you’re more or less correct.

Items for which the state grants a license or records titles (for example, automobiles and boats) are required to be sold using an agent to transfer the title and collect appropriate sales tax.
gatorcpa

vintage hab · Dec 12, 2020

Eve
Good to know, i was allways wondering why the US deals look often so attractive and Europe prices are totally inflated.

Keep in mind in the sales tax discussion that the state sales tax in the U.S. is relatively low, officially ranging from 0 - 7%, but generally in the 3 - 6% range. VAT in Europe is a minimum of 15% I believe, and I have seen it in the low 20s. So even though the U.S. quoted prices don't include sales tax, the final price is still generally lower, especially given that there's usually no sales tax on private sales.

padders · Dec 12, 2020

gatorcpa
In most jurisdictions, there is an annual dollar value limit on sales to be considered a private vendor, but you’re more or less correct.

Quite so. And it is up to the individual to account for any capital gains if they are selling as an individual, but that is considered separately from sales tax. Or at least that is how it works here.

gatorcpa
Items for which the state grants a license or records titles (for example, automobiles and boats) are required to be sold using an agent to transfer the title and collect appropriate sales tax.
gatorcpa

Interesting. That is not the case here, you can sell a car in a pub car park for cash if you want. The buyer is required to notify the licensing authority (DVLA here) and tax the vehicle (not sales tax, so called Road Fund Licence) but there is no other requirement I can think of and no agent or other third party is required.

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