Perhaps a good reference for how original lume looks like on a 165.024 Seamaster (no pin hole)

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Hi @reficul_x , an old post yes, and a very interesting one, thanks again.

It shows that to have original lume on a SM300 dial you don't always have to be able see the pinholes visible, you do however still have to be able to spot if a dial has been re lumed or not!

Maybe some of the SM300 dials don't all have pinholes? and even if all of the SM300 dials do actually all have pinholes, then some are covered over by the lume when it was applied.

I have not yet removed the dial of my 66 SM300 to check if mine has it's pinholes or not.

Your (@reficul_x) and my SM300 dials have their original lume plots which is surprisingly (on the one hand) yet (on the other) reassuringly quite imprecisely applied, and the pinholes are not visible.

It is very very very hard to find a genuinely fully original Big Triangle No-Date SM300, let alone a fully original one with it's acrylic plastic resin insert in super nice condition, and it's original lume plots NOT rotted and mouldy from previous water intrusion.

Almost all SM300's have had at least some parts replaced, or are frankens, or out and out fakes, it takes time and patience to build up the knowledge and details to be able to create and run your own checklist when looking and accessing a watch for sale.

Mostly there will be some sort of a compromise you'll have to make, but I would always say start with the dial (don't compromise on that) and go from there.
Very good advice that I most certainly will attempt to follow. Thank You. 🙏🏻
 
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Hi,

Many thanks to the OP for the very interesting article about original loom on the SM 300.

I have recently acquired a one owner SM300 165.024 Big Triangle No-Date, made in 1966, it is all original with it's original 1506/16 4/66 dated bracelet, on the dial I can't see the pinholes, however the lume is original.


I also have an original NOS 1968 Big Triangle no date dial and hands set, that I acquired from a very nice gentleman who in turn had acquired these along with a job lot of various other makes of watch parts, an incredible find.

This NOS dial has the pin-holes at 12 and 6 and it is marked on the back 68*552.


When comparing the lume of these two dials I noticed :

The 1966 dial has a light sand coloured lume, I can't see pinholes and the lume is hand applied, quite imprecisely actually, and very similar to your (OP) dial that you have illustrated in the original post above.

The 1968 NOS dial has a darker sand coloured lume (as do the hands), there are pinholes in the dial at 12 & 6 and the lume is more precisely applied.

It looks like the lume was applied using a stencil?, and I'm guessing the pinholes were used to line up the stencil during application.

I'm not sure but I read somewhere that the Big Triangle No-Date dial was first available in 1966?

So I'm thinking that possibly the earlier production dials were hand applied, like mine and yours (OP) and later on in the production run they changed from hand applying the lume (time consuming and imprecise) to applying the lume using a stencil?

The lume on my 68 NOS dial is a darker sand colour, has the pinholes and the lume is more precisely applied.

I'm not sure if the darker sand colour lume only appears on the later produced dials, however my 68 dial certainly is a darker sand colour than the 66 dial.

Please have a look at my photos of the 66 dial and the NOS 68 dial, the differences in colour and the precision of the lume application is evident.

I have not removed the 66 dial from my watch to check if this dial has pinholes hidden by the lume.

So I'm supporting your theory that original lume doesn't have to always have the pin holes.

I would be very interested in your comments and opinions.

Kind regards,



Nick

(I'm in the UK)

I also bid on that. Congrats for the purchase!
 
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Do any of the SM300 experts know how the lume was applied on the dials in the 1960's ? for example the 1966 dials are hand applied? and the later 1968 dilas by stencil or pad printed? the pinholes used to line up the stencil / pad?