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not all, if any, blue soleil dials are service dials. Thinking has changed in light of new evidence.

One metalic bluish dial surfaced recently in the WOK auction but that was a dial manufacturers sample and offered as such.

It used to be the thinking until recently that these blues were service dials - but then Omega started confirming some blue dials as original from factory.

The one I show has an extract of the archives confirming it.

in fact all the blue dials I know of have extracts now. Apart from the sample dials.

That surprises me a lot. I researched in the museum in the 90's with John and not one entry mentioned the dial colour.... Kind regards. Achim
 
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This was the one that was sold at Watches of Knightsbridge in November 2019. Look at the extract "Light silver-blue sunbrushed with luminous indexes". However the serial is way apart. If I remember it correct, this is now yours @Spacefruit ? Edit: Ah, yes that is the same watch that you posted an image of in this thread.

Link to the auction can be found here:
https://auctions.watchesofknightsbr...-details/840ee1e1-28e0-45c3-bd29-aae100dc27d5

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Patrik83 Patrik83
This was the one that was sold at Watches of Knightsbridge in November 2019. Look at the extract "Light silver-blue sunbrushed with luminous indexes". However the serial is way apart. If I remember it correct, this is now yours @Spacefruit ? Edit: Ah, yes that is the same watch that you posted an image of in this thread.

Link to the auction can be found here:
https://auctions.watchesofknightsbr...-details/840ee1e1-28e0-45c3-bd29-aae100dc27d5

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dial and hands (chrono hand with square end) are service parts from the 70s apparently
 
Spacefruit
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dial and hands (chrono hand with square end) are service parts from the 70s apparently

Yes as were the pushers, thin necks
 
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This is how I see it for a potential buyer

Movement bridge with serial number assuming correct £1000
Dial £1000
Ultraman hand £10,000
Case £1500
Total £13500
 
Spacefruit
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This is how I see it for a potential buyer

Movement bridge with serial number assuming correct £1000
Dial £1000
Ultraman hand £10,000
Case £1500
Total £13500

Ha!

are you willing to bet £10,000 on the hand in that photo?
 
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If I had an 145.012 in serial range and the cash to spare, almost certainly😉
 
timoss
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Yes as were the pushers, thin necks
I'm confused: the extract is confirming the SERVICE dial? or confirming that the original watch came with blue soleil dial even though there is a service dial of that type now in the watch...?
 
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This is how I see it for a potential buyer

Movement bridge with serial number assuming correct £1000
Dial £1000
Ultraman hand £10,000
Case £1500
Total £13500

I'm not in the market for a blue dial Speedy. Shooting from the hip a heavily worn blue dial for £1k seems a tad cheap.

Considering logging off and taking cover...
 
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dial and hands (chrono hand with square end) are service parts from the 70s apparently
The dial print on these short hour marker blue dials is exactly the same as the MKII step dials used in the early-mid 70’s (Sans “PROFESSIONAL”)
The Greenish lume is also the same as we usually see on many late 145.022-69’s and 145.022-71’s
Wide T’s...
None of these features existed yet when these watches were produced. (Ref: 105.012 from the mid to late 60’s).

The Omega extracts only say Blue dial because they saw pictures. Otherwise, it would have never been mentioned on the extract just by the serial.
I would love to see some of these dials outside of the watches to see the dial feet.
 
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Now $8,900

I find it attractive and can sort of get my head around the flurry of bids

Would you trade a new Snoopy for it? It's almost there.

I need to get my hands on that money printer
 
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Hi Rob,
Don't you think the dial is too much damaged to restore it ?
personally I would not even spend 500 usd on this watch
Yes, that was the thrust of my comment. Even if it could be done in some way to restore the majority of the dial (note: I don't know of anyone that can do this), the restoration just simply wouldn't be worth it for this one, as you'd be unlikely to get a value anywhere near original soleil dials and the restoration work needed will run at least $4-5K on the low-end. The current price for it is insanity.

And I have doubts about the chrono hand as well..
 
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sorry for the off-topic drift but this is interesting - is it your interpretation of how the "authentication" is going to work like, or do you have insider info about what they will really do with this mandate? Thank you.

No insider info but gut feeling based on similar situations and experiences. No one watch expert can validate hundreds of watches and then vintage watches makes it near impossible. Even when posted on forums you’ll get dissenting opinions from the knowledgeable members. Plus the sheer volume will leave each “expert” a brief amount of time to make the call. This is primarily to authenticate Rolex watches and determine whether they were actually produced by Rolex. Will they point out super luminova hands or tritium service dials? Probably not, but that doesn’t make the watch inauthentic. Again, just an opinion but I think the Authenticator is just determining whether the watch was initially made in Switzerland or China.
 
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No insider info but gut feeling based on similar situations and experiences. No one watch expert can validate hundreds of watches and then vintage watches makes it near impossible. Even when posted on forums you’ll get dissenting opinions from the knowledgeable members. Plus the sheer volume will leave each “expert” a brief amount of time to make the call. This is primarily to authenticate Rolex watches and determine whether they were actually produced by Rolex. Will they point out super luminova hands or tritium service dials? Probably not, but that doesn’t make the watch inauthentic. Again, just an opinion but I think the Authenticator is just determining whether the watch was initially made in Switzerland or China.

got it. all valid points! Thanks.

I was told by an insider they've hired 40 full-time watchmakers to serve that need... so they seem to be pretty serious about it. I wonder how serious, really!
 
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got it. all valid points! Thanks.

I was told by an insider they've hired 40 full-time watchmakers to serve that need... so they seem to be pretty serious about it. I wonder how serious, really!

Hopefully this is not true. Watchmakers would be terribly over-qualified for this, and better used elsewhere.
 
ndgal
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Hopefully this is not true. Watchmakers would be terribly over-qualified for this, and better used elsewhere.
I already bought a vintage Speedmaster on eBay that was ruined by the “Authenticator” and had to be returned to the seller... ::facepalm1::
 
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