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Deafboy
··His Holiness Puer Surdus
Then maybe you should care.
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Originally about tariffs and watches ... now just political rambling
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Then maybe you should care.
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorNo one on my side of the border asked for or wanted this, by the way...
I'm sure that very few on this side of the border asked for or wanted this (with respect to Canada) as well.
I hope those Canadians who think they want a better relationship with China over the US understand the consequences.
Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
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ErichPryde
··Seamasters ForeverThere are those things called libraries. Last time I checked you can look at books for free.
Unfortunately, parents and kids have their noses pointed at a cell phone 24/7.
My brothers and their kids make great use of the electronic library system here in the PNW, as do many other families we know.
It probably isn't (or shouldn't be) surprising to anyone that most of the people using that library system have several shelves of books at their home that are already full. I'm not sure of the correlation between library use and number of books at home, but I am sure of book use in general vs. education level.
It's easy to make these open statement posts that don't really outline the reality of the discussion, I'm hoping you can bring some sources to the table RE: library use that add more.
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The Father
·Indeed it is sad. No one on my side of the border asked for or wanted this, by the way...
As I've said several times, I don't think the average American truly understands how much damage has been done. A poll released on Friday asked people if Canada had a good relationship with various other countries. The results should give you (hopefully) some idea of how we feel right now...
The US falls below China by quite a bit, but the good news is you are still ahead of Russia...barely...
Sure, are a lot of perspectives on the OF that America is almost a Third World Country. No livable wages, not enough this not enough that. Yet the entire world wants to be in America. Americans have some much the problem is how to use it.
Well except the French, they like sitting on street cafe' drinking lattes and talking about the last surrender.
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ErichPryde
··Seamasters ForeverNo livable wages
Nobody has said this. Wealth inequality discussions are not the same as saying there is no liveable wage in America.
Could you respond to the statements that were made, as opposed to re-stating them inaccurately?
Edit: nevermind. I just saw that you posted this in another thread:
Finally some common sense. Adios MF’ers
I don't think you're participating in these threads for honest, reasonable discussion or discourse.
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p4ul
·I am enjoying this thread, please calm down. Each can have an opinion, respect that and let the other be wrong.😉
Obligatory cat pic despite the fact I can’t stand them!🔥🔥🔥
Obligatory cat pic despite the fact I can’t stand them!🔥🔥🔥
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The Father
·You do realize that people who are legal immigrants (and now American citizens), are taken off American streets, and are detained, sent out of the country, or even worse, sent to a foreign prison, without due process.
Then maybe you should care.
Ohhh, you're talking about the Maryland guy. Illegal immigrant sent to foreign prison.
Yep, the American nazis sweeping the streets and sending them all to concentration camps.
I will venture to say the millions of "immigrants" that swept into American the last 4 years without backgrounding, they are all upstanding world citizens.
Lets just say that 1% are criminals. Over a 100,000 turned loose on American streets
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorOhhh, you're talking about the Maryland guy. Illegal immigrant sent to foreign prison.
Yep, the American nazis sweeping the streets and sending them all to concentration camps.
The fact is that if you claim that illegals have no right to due process (to which there is some basis in the law), and are going to go against court orders, you better be sure you are right. This administration has no such safeguards in place.
As I have said several times, my issues are not over policy, but over execution.
They truly look like fools sometimes.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerI think it's kind of interesting that Archer's response keeps coming back up. It seems like such a minor part of this large situation.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerHaters gonna hate.
I'm sure that very few on this side of the border asked for or wanted this (with respect to Canada) as well.
I hope those Canadians who think they want a better relationship with China over the US understand the consequences.
Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
gatorcpa
The poll is not about wants - it's about assessing the current relationship. China isn't the country imposing nonsensical tariffs on Canada, and threatening to make us the 51st state. We didn't turn our backs on the US...
The vast majority of Canadians would have considered the US our closest ally, but the current folly has certainly changed that. If we want to talk about wishes, then we all wish things would go back to normal.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerA poll. Exactly a poll. Shit happens. One poll a one point in time means jackshit in the scope of things.
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pdxleaf
·The average American absolutely cares. In interviews and Republican town halls, Republican voters are expressing concern about grabbing people off the street and sending them to El Salvador prisons. If anyone is not aware of this, respectfully, they are likely in a bubble.
The most important safe guard citizens have to remain free is the ability to have your day in court. If we cannot know what we charged with, face our accusers and defend ourselves in court, it's all over. There's nothing left.
If there is one innocent person in twenty, that's too many. There will be mistakes, it's impossible to not make an error. Our courts are imperfect and will never be otherwise. But any person who says they love liberty and will defend freedom but who does not appreciate the magnitude of the danger and destruction in allowing an ICE officer to decide for themselves who might be eligible for deportation to a foreign prison, and then putting them on a plane with no opportunity to appear before a court and to be put into a maximum security prison in a Foreign country with no hope of release, well then I am at loss for understanding what is your definition of liberty and freedom.
We average Americans are terrified.
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The most important safe guard citizens have to remain free is the ability to have your day in court. If we cannot know what we charged with, face our accusers and defend ourselves in court, it's all over. There's nothing left.
If there is one innocent person in twenty, that's too many. There will be mistakes, it's impossible to not make an error. Our courts are imperfect and will never be otherwise. But any person who says they love liberty and will defend freedom but who does not appreciate the magnitude of the danger and destruction in allowing an ICE officer to decide for themselves who might be eligible for deportation to a foreign prison, and then putting them on a plane with no opportunity to appear before a court and to be put into a maximum security prison in a Foreign country with no hope of release, well then I am at loss for understanding what is your definition of liberty and freedom.
We average Americans are terrified.
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The Father
·It's amateur hour in America.
YES! The border was so much better when it was like this. Let me see, maybe if the border was not open the last 4 years with zero accountability, probably would not be in the current situation.
But for some reason, there are some that believe the United States should be the only country that does not control its national borders.
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorChina isn't the country imposing nonsensical tariffs on Canada, and threatening to make us the 51st state. We didn't turn our backs on the US.
Hopefully, your new government will get it more than the old one, sit down with the trade negotiators, work out a deal that works for us both and put this stupidity behind us.
I'm far more worried about the erosions of the rule of law in this country and hope the courts can stand against a Justice Department run by a hit woman. I am from Florida and trust me, she is bad news.
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Dan S
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YES! The border was so much better when it was like this. Let me see, maybe if the border was not open the last 4 years with zero accountability, probably would not be in the current situation.
But for some reason, there are some that believe the United States should be the only country that does not control its national borders.
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Dan S
·I’ve been working my a$$ off doing three jobs…academia, law enforcement, and remodeling a house to flip (not to mention, working my honey bees and other farm critters). I haven’t been around here nearly as much as in the past.
I decided to read through this lengthy discussion over coffee this morning. Eye opening…beginning with the potentially offensive term ‘Muricans. While I understand the tariff issue compounds our collective watch obsession, this discussion went a thousand different political ways…even with members deciding on principle (a trait I admire) to refuse service to us ‘Muricans despite being friends and customers. Sad that the world has devolved into such a state that it has seeped into here.
I treat every human with the same courtesy and respect that I expect. I have friends all over the world. I’ve done business with OF members in Canada, Europe, and the U.S. If I can be of service to help anyone, particularly those I have developed a relationship with on OF, all they have to do is ask, politics and geographical boundaries be damned.
Regardless of your particular stance on any of this, realize that others may see it differently. Please don’t burn bridges over a subject that none of us can control. For the love of all things watches, peace.
Any substantive comments on the nominal topic of the thread?
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorLet me see, maybe if the border was not open the last 4 years with zero accountability, probably would not be in the current situation.
That's really my issue with your rants. It's impossible to fix in 100 days what it took decades to screw up. "Disappearing" people without hearings is not an answer regardless of what happened in the past. Neither is deporting minor US citizen (as the law says today) children of illegal immigrants, or depriving these children of any other rights granted to citizens of this country regardless of who their parents are.
You don't like it? Then get Congress to pass a law to amend the Constitution to clarify the 14th Amendment and then get 2/3 of the states to pass it. That is the way it is supposed to work. Not with the stroke of a tyrant's pen.
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The Father
·You guys see a nazi behind every bush
Hey Dan
Several others brought up immigration.
Are you going to admonish them for polluting the thread.
Get ‘em Dan. Get ‘em. Don’t hold back.
Hey Dan
Several others brought up immigration.
Are you going to admonish them for polluting the thread.
Get ‘em Dan. Get ‘em. Don’t hold back.
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Wlcutter
·You guys see a nazi behind every bush